also....I have Norton and it's updated and it runs a full system scan every morning and this computer is virus free and I run ad-aware almost every day and I did run it earlier today when I was trying to get LW to work so the comp is relatively clean of that crap too...and how do you get updates for java??? I went to the website and I can't find where they have updates....I opened java on my comp and I can't find a link on that either. thanks