no disc 1st of all. friend of a friends built the comp so he wants to charge me 40 buks to completely reinstall windows 2000. there has to be an easier way. as far as the winlogon.exe file, i am pretty sure i only deleted 3 files from the search of c:\, all3 named winupdates.whatever. then i deleted possibly 7 - 9 reg entries in regedit. all named winupdates.* then the F3 next came up with nada. so i rebooted and then i got the shutdown message. it seems to be happening less frequently now but i am gonna try windows update to see if it catchs any loose wires. any help on that complete winlogon.exe file would be greatly appreciated because i am pretty sure i can just copy and paste it into the existing location.