there have always been suckers. there always will be. you're right, no amount of data will assist anyone who doesn't want to climb out, such as those looking only for posts confirming their pet theories. the folks i'm talking about are those whom i flatter the human race by thinking of as the majority who will rationally interpret available data to make the best choice possible. phrased another way, total ignorance and total idiocy are indistinguishabe. an oatmeal box and an IBM are equal, with no data 8D