I understand what you are saying about making repetitive threads. that's why i posted in an existing one after searching for something that would address my question. it just seemed to be the closest one i could find. actually by the time i got to that thread i was tired of looking so i just posted a reply in that thread and tried to be as specific as possible. thanks for helping me start thinking of how to do it. i hope my answr will help to prevent future redundance. is redundance a real word? ok anyways c ya