thanks grandpa, im gonna try that now, if that doesnt work then who knows what. since i posted i have tried older versions but the java version wasnt compatable, and i completely removed limewire and started from scratch with installing it. and it will hang at the loading user interface. so hopefully i will solve this problem with the java upgrade. BTW this all started for me when the 4.29.28 or .29 was upgraded too. b4 that lime wire would work phenonmanoly