Well I upgraded to 4.9.30 and I'm trying it out as I type, it took me bloody hours to get rid of the old version I finally worked out I had to get rid of java(I had two and I got rid of old version), everthing downloaded perfectly after that.But I didnt save old lw to disc because I didnt read your post until it was to late. Cross my fingers that 4.9.30 doesnt give me any trouble.Thanks for all your advice... more than likely chat again soon.