SUCCESS
i got it to work, not sure how though, i got the full software update and tried numbers 1,2,3, and 5 on the link you gave me. Nothing. i was planning try loading an older version of LM right now but i tried out the one i had just for the hell of it and it worked this time. weird
anyway thanks soooo much for your time you were very helpful

also i know its unrelated but i was wondering if you know of a "mytunes" sort of program that is compatable with macs. (lets you download music from people you are networked with rather than just listen)