with all the ideas from everyone sooner or later one would have to work and it did for me the westel modum 's fire wall is set to the max lower one setting waited 5 minutes for the system to upgrade besides all the other ideas with java and lw the system isnow running fine
THANKS TO ALL who gave me these ideas to look at, and because I am not smart when iit comes to computers it did take a little to try all these ideas but to you folks great links to help walk us through it all