Ok maybe a bit hasty, I'm sorry for loosing my cool. And b-boy is right When it comes to the pc I dont think out side the box much, new at it. stranger to me in many ways. I was chiming in to a thread I know now thats not the way it is done here . So my apologies to you ukbobboy and any others who thinks I'm out of line. I.m sure you (ukbobboy) are a inspiration to those who need your help, But give me some credit, I did not throw the (wanker) word out there, even I know not to cross that line. Cheers! Dan aka ride1on Riverside California U.S.A.