I checked Java and I was at 1.5. Then I took out the TLS and ultrapeer as suggested, then I deleted the limewire preferences folder. I then opened Limewire and it set up pref again and what do you know!!! I am on lw right now!! What would cause the prob to come up and if it does do it again should I follow the same steps? Btw, i did not get to the step where I would have to change the settings for the router, but for future reference if i have to, should i do it from my computer that is having the lw problem thru the wireless router or from the computer that is hooked up directly to the actiontec? Thanks for your help! You rock!