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mrgone4662 · #**144** (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

Originally posted by Anonnn
<LI>Sorry, one step at a time, the client isn't fully blocking yet.</LI>
So you came on here misrepresenting what your client was doing with the intention of getting people to freeload on the gnutella network. Does that about sum it up?

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No he didn't misrepresent what the client does or what it blocks. He said exactly what he has done to modify the client.
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His original statements represented his client as blocking others completely, and his responce that full blocking wasn't implemented yet was in regards to someone posting that they were finding clients supposedly completely blocked in their search results.

So he did originally misrepresent what his client did. Not until he was called on his client's actual behavior did he fess up to it.

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If there was ever a client that should be blocked from gnutella this is the one. Yeah, we all know bs and lw prefer bs and lw nodes, but at least they haven't targeted specific clients to "leech only" from. The people who get screwed in this situation are the end users.
So take your client elsewhere, build your own network, and stop trying to do damage the gnutella network.
(And to reiterate what morg has said: Just because you use a different port does not mean you are using a different network! There are already plenty of us out there that run gnutella clients on ports other than 6346 or 6347.)
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Substantiate your claim that we are trying to damage the gnutella network.
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This was based on what the maker said was his intent and his later admission to only partial blocking.

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We are doing more than just using different ports. You didn't read anything that we posted so far, or you just didn't understand what you read.
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That was in responce to someone's claim that because it was on a different port it was a different network.

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Originally posted by Ontheloose
<LI>let me get this straight anyone can download this client and connect and everyone that posted a IP so far has files shared and you call this freeloading?</LI>
1.) How do you know they all have files shared?
2.) It is freeloading off of those people that are blocked from downloading but not uploading.
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Which clients are blocked from downloading but not uploading? I don't see how this is possible from the changes which we have made. Again substantiate your claim.

You are making insinuations and accusations without providing any basis whatsoever.
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That argument was again based on the makers own words.

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<LI>did you read the source code? all I see is modified connect strings and those aint used to down/upload, heck you can use a browser it dont use those connect strings.</LI>
Didn't need to read the source code, the guy who made this already admitted to one way blocking.
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Well, you admit you didn't read the source code.

How can you comment at all? You are a big ******.
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Aww, you were doing so well too. One thing, it is obvious I can comment, I've been doing so this whole time here. Another thing, flames don't help you, they make you look immature and take weight away from any arguments you have.

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So I say, get out. You want your own network then put some effort into making it. Don't just sit here and leech off people because their politics don't match your own.
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Again you accuse us of leeching. Provide some proof.
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Yet again based on the words of the guy who made it. Just read the early posts in the forum.

Here you lie:

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I have a constuctive comment. You are in the wrong place, find a new home.
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The above is not a constructive comment. It is you telling us to f**k off. That is not constructive.
This is an appropriate place for a discussion of clients using the gnutella protocol, even if in a form modified to establish a separate network. Do you really expect us to have a forum dedicated to this project at such an early stage?
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It is a constructive comment. You obviously don't understand that if you claim that this client runs on a different network then it no longer runs on gnutella, which is what these forums are dedicated too.

And btw, I do expect you to have a forum this early. I happen to run a board with forums specifically for alternate gnutella network proposals. Maybe if you'd asked nice I would have given you a spot there.

A couple of postings later in the same thread:

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Either way it has no place on gnutella.
1) If you are a new network then stop trying to freeload off gnutella.
2) If you are not a new network then you are intentionally attacking other gnutella clients and damaging the network. Also not very welcome here.

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You claim we are trying to freeload off gnutella, or intentionally attacking other clients.

You don't just say that we are incidentally and accidentally doing this, which we are not anyway, but you don't even qualify your ridiculous rhetoric to that degree. You straight out allege that we are trying to freeload off gnutella, or intentionally attacking other clients.

This is a very serious allegation. Please provide proof, or I will ridicule you on site until I get bored.
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Again based on the same statement made by the developer coupled with the post made by someone who witnessed the half blocking in place. This is plenty of evidence to put two and two together to make these claims. Its obvious the developer knew about it and released the client anyway.

a later posting:

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quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
<LI>I see no other method but to use blocking</LI>
Sounds like you're feeling a little inadequate.
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This is just a troll. Why do you bother?

Do you want me to go on? Did you forget you posted all that sh!te?!
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It was an apparently correct observation.

Or did you just think we forgot?

Later:
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quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
<LI>Developers as Viniie care about $$$, not about Gnutella.
VIP Bearshare trolls as Sephiroth care about propaganda, not about real information.</LI>
So in return you post anti-bearshare and anti-sephiroth propaganda.
You haven't proven either of these accusations, and you haven't offered any real information. You've only given conjecture regarding what someone else's priorities may be, and you've claimed that conjecture to be true and correct.
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I think this is a fair summary of the majority of Seph's postings I have seen.
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What you think doesn't count.

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Would you like me to do the same for S as I am doing for you?
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What flame him for a number of posts and waste his time still without providing a solid argument for your position? You'd have to ask him.

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You'll have to wait a few days, I'm going on holiday.
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later in same post:
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propaganda
n.
The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
information that is spread for the purpose of promoting some cause
Your statements obviously fit the above definition. So it appears you should work on your own poor system of ethics before attacking what you perceive someone else's to be.
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Yours and Seph's certainly do. You should clean up your own back yard first.
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What cause do you see me supporting?

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But even assuming yours wasn't propoganda,

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I've made it pretty clear what I think.
And the proper way to counter propaganda is to educate people with real information, not by spreading more propaganda.
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Well, you haven't provided even one iota of information. Where is it? You didn't even read the source code.
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Sure I did, at least now you know what propaganda means.

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After this point, nearly everyone starts trolling and flaming (I wonder why they might do that, Gone? Did you maybe provoke them?)
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I provoked them to think, but they apparently couldn't handle that.

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Then cheeky enough to post:
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For everyone claiming that someone else is lying:
Quote the "lie", explain why you think it is a lie, give your version of the truth, and site and post links to your proof.
If not you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Well, refer to this posting. Is that circular enough for you? Maybe your one-bit little mind will go into a loop and burn a valve!
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You now are taking the position of the sophist.

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Re: Flame wars suck. Post facts, not opinions.
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Originally posted by Nosferatu
<LI>Mr Gone, you either don't know what you are talking about, or ***.</LI>
And yet you find it impossible to quote what I said that was either uninformed or a lie.
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Another incorrect piece of information. I did not find it impossible, I just didn't want to pollute the thread and waste my time, but you have extended this thread to about 3 times the length it should be (ie diluted the content by 1/3) so I might as well, plus I think you need a good whack on the head to make you think twice next time you want to go lying and trolling.
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And you still haven't shown me to lie. All of my direct claims were made on the basis of what the designer himself had said. If any of my claims were incorrect as a result of that then it is obvious that he is the one who lied.

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More lies:

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Originally posted by Unregistered
<LI>90% of mrgone's statements are uninformed, boring, useless and provoking.</LI>
If they are uninformed, then qoute the statement, correct the information given, and site your sources. If they were boring or useless they wouldn't have brought up so much conversation.
And yes, they are very provoking. They provoke you to think critically about the topics at hand, which is something that apparently offends you.
Open your mind.
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Well, quoting and <?I>citing is what I'm doing now.
Boring and useless, yes they were. They did not provoke on-topic conversation, they have provoked a lot of abuse and trolling.
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Why don't you open your mind? Because your one brain cell might escape?
You should open your mind to the possibility that people such as us might be able to do something useful to some people, and which we enjoy, without causing any harm to the existing gnutella network, and provide an alternative for those who don't want to have anything to do with the commercial gnutella clients.
But I guess you are too full of fear to allow that idea in your head.
Or you just enjoy trolling.
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You claimed that there were lies in that post and you go on to *******.

So you still have some work to do.

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Originally posted by mrgone4662
<LI>So put up a reasoned argument in your defense. Just bitching that I've pointed out the weaknesses in your position doesn't help your stance any.</LI>
No, you pointed out the weakness of nobody, where, you underline your big ego again. making down others with no arguments, means increasing your own position, blowing up your your own ego.
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Gone, you point out where you "pointed out the weaknesses of our position".
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As soon as you started bitching about me asking questions.

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Trolls typically accuse others of their own despicable behaviour.
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Hmm.. and let's see.. you're accusing me of trolling.. sounds typical of your kind I suppose.

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Here is an example of Mr Gone **** again:

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Unregistered, you can bitch and whine and flood this forum with posts about how much you hate me. But that only reenforces that fact that you have nothing of content to contribute to the discussion.
So put up or shut up.
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Who has the most posts in this forum? I would say Mr Gone.

Who hasn't provided a single verifiable, on-topic fact in a single posting in this forum?

Again, I think Mr Gone.
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See, you'll actually have to read all the posts to find where the good stuff is. But that is apparently too difficult for your narrow little mind.

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Originally posted by Unregistered
<LI>People tell you constanly you're wrong and closed minded, which is the part you don't understand? repeating your arrogant voice endless doesn't help. flodding and provoking without arguments, yes you're Gnutellafourms's second **. Do you meet with your pal JohnBBJones and plan about world domination?</LI>
Funny considering so far none of you have been able to quote a statement of mine and prove it false. You've just kicked and screamed like little children.
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Again you misrepresent the facts. Either you are deliberately misrepresenting the facts, or you just can't think straight.
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Nope, facts were represented fine. Up until that point noone was able to put the effort into doing what you did here.

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Whether we are able to do something, and whether we choose to do it, are two separate things. This is very simple to understand.

Again, see this posting for the proof you desperately require.

Again with the accusing others of one's own despicable behaviour:

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Originally posted by Unregistered
<LI>that *** is becoming personal, finally. you have left the path of arogance and choosen 100% ****, yes we love you little ****, run to your mum and dry your tears.</LI>
Do you know what "put up or shut up" means in this context?
It means put up some relevant content and quit acting like a child.
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You should put up or shut up, troll.

Next occurs lots of flooding. The channel quickly fills up with mindless drivell. I guess we must be doing something right to attract so much trolling.
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You can flame and troll all you like, but that was absolutely relevant to conversation. If you don't like it when I explain something to you then don't read what I have to say.

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Mostly it is just Gone asking for the proof of *** (see above). No one wanted to provide this because it is already read by anyone reading this thread, and it is senseless to duplicate something which people have already read.

But I am doing just that, because he is such an ****, someone needs to make an authoritative record of just what an *** he is, which can be referred to in future by anyone else that he asks for proof of his own lies. It will save future troll sessions, trust me.
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Funny, because you still haven't managed to show a single lie despite all your effort.

Don't you feel stupid for wasting your time.

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Re: Answer this question
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Originally posted by Unregistered
*****, you have no idea what Vinnie is doing, you have no own experience with
Gnutella and no technical background
You have made a lot of accusations there. As such the burden of proof lays on you. Good luck
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No, the burden of proof does not instantly lie with Unregistered. In over 20 .. 30 .. 50? posts to this thread you have demonstrated complete lack of understanding of the topic. You have made very serious allegations against us. It is up to you to provide some proof of either your 'facts' or your competency to make judgements of a technical nature in this field.
In your own words, you have made a lot of accusations.
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. You are the pot calling kettle black. [/QUOTE]
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In any debate it is absolutely up to the accusing party to site his references to provide support for his position. I have already sited mine as being the developer himself. If there was any misinformation to come from that then you can talk to him about it.

And as for the claims made by "Unregistered" ; it is absolutely his responsibility to give proof for his claims as well. He claimed to know something about my background and my technical skills. It is not up to me to provide the proof of anything, it is up to the accuser.

And man, don't you feel silly for being drawn into this? I mean come on, you had to know that you were just going to let yourself get riled up here.

If you people could leave your emotions aside while in a debate you would fair much better.