Venders do change ... Morpheus us a perfect example. Ultrappers are required to be connected to 6 other ultrappers when they have leaves under them ... I never seem to make 6 connections with other lime wire users ... I always end up with Morpheus, Bearshare, or some other ultrappers ... was that the jist of the origional posts? The only thing that I've seen that remotely works is to filter the non-limewire ultrapper ip's. That's sorta the problem with open source.... sometimes it works too well.