Its Mon morn. and to add to my problems last night my computer got googy about my modem. It can't find it or set it correctly. I can't figure what would have changed the config. so I think I'll drag it to the mac store and see if an expert can set me straight on that and maybe show him the real/ mp3 problem however I'll try your rename suggestion first. I'm on my g3 powerbook now . only way to check my email etc. Thanks for hanging in there with me.