zero those are 2 diffrent aspects of the same issue that is going on here, which you seem to not get. It doesnt make a diffrence what their intentions were, it does not change the fact they threatened phex. You dont pull out a gun and say your going to shoot someone every time they disagree with you, Vinnie basicly was on some power trip and decided to threaten people if they dont do what HE SAYS ("no debate"), sure he had good intentions but that doesnt change the fact he did it, he could have discussed it like a normal adult, but he decided acting like a demented little child was better, and justified it by saying this is for the network that him and Greg built (LOL, as if the users have nothing to do with that). He even was spreading FUD about it, by saying that Phex was responsible for a lot of traffic, when pressed for proof he had none. They are nothing but irresponsible punks (talking to people so arrogantly), that need to change their attitude before it destroys their public relations and reputation. You dont get anywhere in life by treating people like crap and being arrogant.