seriously.. ive tried it all... and i mean... ALLL... java... firewalls... uninstalling (completely) and reinstalling... different versions (they all react the same)... i am not a computer genius... but i m also not computer illiterate... i have no problems with any other programs... just this one... and it seems like its more trouble than anything else to get it working... so at this point... im over it... there are other programs out there that do the same thing... i just thought id try it out since i know a couple people who use it and are happy... it just doesnt seem to work for me... so moving on... but thank you for all your help