Limewire is still using other hostcaches and bearshare (you should read the bearshare.net thread!) want to "mix" IP in a new hostcache!

This means the user see "ONLY" that the most connetions are from Limewire and bearshare - so they think they are the "MAYOR" part of the net!

Morgwen

P.S.:

I think today I will be on #gnutelladev!

I cant beleive this! So basicly if you aint BS or LW youre not on the network! Maybe they need to go buy their own network.

From: freepeers info@f...
Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:43pm
Subject: Re: Feature Query Proposal

--- In the_gdf@y..., "jbt00000" <junkmail@j...> wrote:
> --- In the_gdf@y..., "freepeers" <info@f...> wrote:
> I would hope other developers would jump on the bandwagon and adopt
> useful features, but based on past history (yes, LW and BS
> are included), things move slowly (when were ultrapeer
> and huge approved?). I wont base my commercial existance on the
> widespread deployment of all my ideas by other servents.

If you have a commercial interest then you should both operate a host
cache, and include connection preferencing features to make your
clients clump together. This was our solution, and it works quite
nicely without requiring protocol extensions. LimeWire has used that
solution for a while now and it has worked well for them too.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/6284

Ok, so BS prefers BS connections so what? It still connects to other clients. But it is better for BS users to be clumped together. Why? Because so many of the clients out there do not support the newer features that will make gnutella a great network. If I can only search a portion of the network I want my results from the most up to date clients that support great features like HUGE, GGEP, UP, ect...
I dont want to be connected to clients that are no longer in development and bringing the network down. Why does everyone here insist that these older clients are the best thing. Fear of change? Gnutella must change to grow and evolve.

Gnutellafan!

We are not talking here about Xolox or other 0.4 clients - we are talking about "ALL" clients!

As I said its not healthier for gnutella only for the Vinnie.net, this isn´t Gnutella anymore!

Morgwen

of my 10 connection 1 or 2 are usually non-BS clients. I am clearly still connected to the rest f the network. Even IF (big if) Vinnie wants to completely separate BS from gnutella it is his choice. I would leave BS then unless it offered superior performance to the gnet.

I still see no argument against clumping as long as you dont totally cut of the rest of the network.

a healthy pocket is a full pocket $$$$
or a bank account
when did gnutella become a profit center?

The argument is fairnes for the users and clients which do not use Limewire or bearshare!

They should respect the whole net - not only their own nodes to make more money!

Otherwise its an own net!

Morgwen

I don't use microsoft products anymore because I won't give any $$ to bill gates and his world domination plans.
I don't use bearshare because I won't give him any $$ towards his gnutella domination plans. He shut down XOLX for no reason and that sucks.
People should have a choice as to what clients they are willing to share files with.
All clients should allow the user to block any client he wants to.
This would also allow users to move to different areas on the network and find different files since this clustering started.
Code to do this is now available for Gnucleus, posted to the forum. It will be a simple job to apply it to any open source client.

First of all: Gnutella is not a democracy. It is completely legitimate, if some clients don't connect to certain other clients to improve performance for their users.

Second: Fairness or respect is not an issue here, outside of cloud-cuckoo-land, money, however, is. So you can't blame anybody for trying to make a living offering Gnutella-clients.

Third: Neither Bearshare not LimeWire are blocking all other clients, - they are reserving connection slots for clients which match certain criteria.

Taliban!

First:

If you want compatible clients "ALL" clients have to follow the same rules - so Gnutella is a democracy, actually the standards are fixed by the GDF!

Second:

Yes I can if they do it with "spyware", I have no problem that they try to earn money!

Third:

They do! Both have an own hostcache which is "exlusively" for their nodes! So they have their "private" net and the Gnutella net as a safety!

You should read the whole thread before you post!

Morgwen