New to gnutella community but not new to networks but I wanted to share both my responce and add some input to this cluster issue which should not go on unchecked and resolved.

I thought limewire was horrible as it mismanaged buffer space making it difficult to run multiple communication apps browser the internet and share via limewire without getting insufficient buffer space messages.

Now I am already shy on buffer space as I run multiple services off this single machine including multiple web daemons and ftp and both a web mail and pop / smtp daemon. Apache is hosting some 20 domains which is not very many for a nix box but until I finish constructing a new nix box this windoze 98se will have to do for a while.

I dumped limewire and ran bearshare and experienced a greater threshold and only ran into difficulty when I bumped the hosts and download numbers too high. I am running the hosts at 10 and the download files at 8 at the same time all the daemons running in the background serving out requests (get about 100 unique hits per minute) and was able to run trillian with 10 different connected accounts without a problem. I also enabled the bearshare webserver which also worked well.

Bearshare did stop accepting requests both in client and webserver after editing the ini for the webserver and client params. This was cleared up after rebooting.

No I am looking into the clustering issues and wonder about dumping bearshare as well and moving onto a better client if one exists. opensource is not always better, preferred maybe but doesn't mean it will work well for everyone. bearshare so far gets a higher score than limewire but I also am very disappointed with the corrupt files I have been downloading. It simply doesn't make sense to me how people with modems can deal with the time it takes to download a corrupt file. It is bad enough with the misleading files names that some of these losers share. I downloaded what I thought to be a kids movie and ended up with someone's idea of a sick joke.

I would prefer open source and those clients made by those networks who do not try to block other clients and force their ads onto the masses in order to make a dime. I don't care so much about the forced ads so much as I do about the attempt to control the networks with sick clustering and secret packets. This is simply WRONG and If I was still the hacker I was once known to be I would wage WAR on their networks until they fell to the waste side. Lucky for them I am 0160 the invisible hacker gone admin. unlucky for them however since it would seem the word is out and they will still fall as users become aware.

I am no a gnutella expert per se but I understand networking. I used to run my own IRC Network and a BOT NET to boot. I understand hubs and clusters leafs and nodes etc. I will be looking more into this clustering issue and welcome all input & intel from others. If I find this to be without a doubt a fact that they are doing what you said about the clustering then I will convince all my online brothers to start adding warnings to their files (html,doc,txt,pdf, and even video files) in addition to postings on webpages and forums.

We will not let this go on unchecked! We demand that this be resolved immediately! Call it beta whatever, we want there to be a gnutella standard for both packet protocol and clustering practices! I love extra features just as much as the next guy but get annoyed when those features cause connectivity issues and especially do not like those which attempt to create a monopoly like network for themselves.

We should be able to add any number of connect#.networkname.tldort# to the configuration any of the gnutella clients and have them connect and download/upload without the problems we have seen lately. I may not know enough to talk about this intelligently for some but I think I am being clear enough.

When I complete my new nix server this week I will be able to run some additional tests among the nix box and the few MACS and PC's I have here at my disposal.

Clustering is just one example of the result of greed, and it's already been admitted to by vinnie so it's true. He still thinks it's fine.
Greed must be removed from the network, any "race" to become #1 at all costs is bad for the network.
Co-operation, contributions from people pitching in ideas, code and support is the only way to go, and the only way to beat the greedy corporations.
Sharing is true P2P.

Becker!

I asked you a simple question... its not worth to anwser this question?

I don´t see a reason that everybody should download now a sniffer to know what bearshare does! I think you and Vinnie should explain it!

Also the fact that bearshare is collecting datas about my system and sends them throught the net - is this optional?

Morgwen

Almost no one uses Gnucleus so you must be talking about the new Morpheus Preview Edition that just copied the Gnucleus client, right? Have you actually tried it? Well I did, and I would have to say that ranks right up there with one of the WORST clients that I have ever used!!!

No more Greed, no more spy packets, nothing but open source!
http://snow.prohosting.com/openp2p/

I see this BB is working tonight.

the other one isn't,

unless Jorden is blocking me 'cause I hurt his feelings.

nicobie

Well my friends, I have spent some additional time using bearshare and have found it to be one of the worst pieces of code to occupy some of my hard drive space. I am dumping it and changing over to FreeWire which is of course based on Limewires code yet improved and open source GPL. No nags No shopping BS no BS period.

I have yet to give it a full work out but you can bet I will be over the weekend.

As for LimeWire and BearShare dump them both!

I am setting up a new fbsd 4.5 box here this weekend and will want to try out some open sorce GPL clients under it. any suggestions?

greed is evil !!!

as Stallman puts it: Source

i'll let ya know what i think of this FreeWire soon

I've seen that many people don't like clustering. I just wan't to hear some explanation that why clustering is so bad. This far I have only heard that clustering is greed and Vinnie stinks. Can you please give reasons for why you think so.

BearShare clients are supporting hashes, there aren't othert gnutella clients wich support hashes (as far as I know, only newest LimeWire support hashes). So, if you want to take advantage of corruption free swarming downloads, you must have enough clients in your horizon wich support hashes. If you don't have, the swarming feature is unefficient and may cause corruptions to files. There is so few BearShare clients in the network that it is necessary to pull them together.

How does it harm the network? Are they still connected to rest of the network? Yes. Can others get hits from clustered clients? Yes, much. Can othet clients connect and get files from clustered part of network? Yes.


Yes, you can't deny that clustered clients benefit from clustering, other clients can't get that benefit. So, are you just jeallous if you're out from that cluster? How the world is different in outside of the cluster? I think there is no difference. There is reason for why certain clients are clustered, they have features what other client's haven't implemented yet. They need other client's wich support these features. Can the "outsider clients" benefit from clustering? No. Can "outsider clients" benefit if clustering would be removed? No. Clustering won't affect at all to the "outsider" clients.

Clusters aren't separate networks, they are just parts of network where are more certain type of clients than others. And those parts of network are tightly connected to the rest of the network.

Someone please explane me what is wrong with clustering. I can't see any reasons why it is so wrong.

Umm, LimeWire is also Open Source. How else could FreeWire be based on it? (it's not all that different from LimeWire actually, and they have a suspect installer) There is more than one project based on the open source LimeWire code, mine among them (AquaLime)

Oh, and clustering sucks. But why get worked up over it? If you don't use BearShare, it doesn't really affect you. You can't find the files on BearShare users HDs, but they can't find the ones on yours, so it's not like they'll leech or anything. They'll just find themselves isolated. Oh well.

@ 0160

Freewire is only a Limewire ripp off... they took out the Limewire ads and bundled software and replaced it by their own to make money...

Yes this are the MAYOR changes - or why do you think they call their version 2.4.4?

This is also confirmed by Adam Fisk (limewire developer)!

The both REALLY clean version are aqualime and clean Limewire, thanks to MamiyaOtaru and VTOLfreak.

Morgwen