I must say I admire you all and your stand on the subject. But Peerless what about the 18 year old kid that does somthing consentiual with a 17 year old kid. The 17 year old kids parents finds out and sends the child to a psychologist. The 17 year old then tells the psychologist what happend. Now in the U.S. the psychologist is bound by law to report it to the authorties wearas the 18 year old is an adult and the 17 year old is a child. So if we used your solution the 18 year old would be sent away forever. Now don't get me wrong. I think that KP and child abuse is well, there really aren't any words to discribe how bad I think it is. Any way I do not look down on StudMuffin for wanting to report it and actually admire them in a way for it. Because if we all had the balls to report such things we would probally have a better chance of ending KP,Child Abuse, etc.

Later Grandpa

What you say is true but the way the law is it is the same thing. And I completley agre with your solution except for who determins what is what, where and how do you draw that line. Believe me I myself raised 2 daughters and as my name applies I have several grandchildren 5 at this time and hopefully more to come. And I do not look forward to the posibilty of any of this crap happening to them but due to the current laws allot of these offinders are set free. But on the otherhand I would hate to see a person in the scenario described before spend the rest of there life put away somewhere. Due to my liberal views myself and people like me are proball partially if not holey to blamb for the currret legal system which lets these people out.

Later Grandpa

I think that we all are in agreement that KP is a sick, twisted practice, that it has no place in society, and all the other very valid points brought up here, however, the only thing we can do right here, right now, is to make sure we keep it out of our happy little haven we've found here. No one can do everything, but everyone can do something and if we take the small step of trying to remove it from the network (now, how we'll do that I have no idea!), maybe we can make this corner of the world a better place.

i love this dam country but screwed up people that do stuff like this **** the crap out of me. All you hippy dippy folks out there who are gonna sit there and defend crap like this need to be thoroughly beaten with a 2x4. that is all. oh yeah, that's f***ing gross.

in response to the 17 and 18 year old question, i'm 19 and my ex-girlfriend was 17. we did some naughty stuff but that doesn't mean i should be locked up. she was "a consenting partner"

Don't know how it is in the US or Uk, but in Aus we have a fairly straight forward law that deals with the 17 yo 18 yo problem.

If the child is sixteen or seventeen the age difference is allowed to be a maximum of four years, under sixteen it is two. The age of legal consent is still 16 but if a 17 yo and a 15 yo get at it, the 17 yo can't be charged with statutory rape, but an 18 yo can.

I think I just made a straight forward law bloody confusing!

Zbucket

If your Aussie law is as you say it is then I think it is the best of the bunch.

In the UK, the legal age of consent is 16, so if a 16-year-old boy has sex with a 15-year-old girl then it is statutory rape. If it is the other way around, i.e. 16 yo girl and 15 yo boy then the girl could be charged with sexual assault. British law does not recognise that a woman can commit rape (although rare, there have been documented cases were older women have forced their attentions on teenage boys). And finally, if both participants are under 16 then the onus is on the boy.

With this kind of mess I think the Australians got it right.




UK Bob

But this isn't about consenting teeenager with raging hormones, this is about children who are being victimized physically and/or mentally by adults for sexual purposes. Hell, I was a mother at 15, so I know about consent and the law (this was in the US in 1978, talk about mad drama!) and I had to marry the guy to keep him out of jail! the marriage didn't last long and the best thing to come out of it was my daughter, but that's a whole 'nother story! In my personal opinion, I'm with UK Bob, the Aussies have got that one right, but it's hard to place an age limit on who's ready and who's not, because we all don't become "mentally aware" at the same time or have a bell that rings to tell us it's time...

What I thought we were talking about was the sexual predators that victimize and damage the children of this world and are supported (and maybe even attacked) by those who watch KP. To me, there's not much difference between those that watch it and tose that produce it, you're just on different sides of the chain, but you're on the same chain...

Hi Wild Peach

The welcome diversion, introduced by Zbucket and continued by by myself, came as a relief to a very tough and disturbing topic.

I think we can agree that we are all on the same page, as far as KP is concerned, but putting our strong emotions to one side for a moment I think we basically disagree on how to tackle the problem.

However, reporting it to the authorities is a good start.



UK Bob

No doubt, UK Bob, no doubt....as you probably can tell, I was on the debate team in my younger years! It's an interesting subject and everyone has brought very valid points to the table, no harm intended, just wanted to keep the party goin', so to speak! I'll take my cue and bow out gracefully....

damn thats a lot of reading.....

*eyes hurt*

anyway heres my 2 cents...

i think KP is indeed horribul and i dont know how any of you can think that anybody has the right to produce/watch/look at it.

i think if a 17yo and a 18yo have consentual sex it is in no way rape ,same with a 17 and a 19 or a 15 and 16 or 16 and 14 as long as it is consentual. but if one of the people forces the other , its rape and the person who was doing the forcing should be prosocuted.

if a 15yo girl and a 16 yo boy have consentual sex, tape it , and share the tape on the internet ,i dont see that as KP.

if a 30yo man rapes a 15yo girl,tapes it ,shares it on the net , that is definantley kp and is discusting and whoever made it needs to be killed....