the present day US SUCKS DIRTY ***...every congressman and senator should be put behind bars for corruption and refusing to do what their constituents demand, and the Oval Office....Jesus Wept....sheeshus...

this country at this time reminds me way tooooo much of 1930's Nazi Germany..

Burn the USA flag in public & see what happens to you. It's only a piece of cloth.

The hypocritical ways of the US govt is what i'm digging at. They expect China to clean up its human rights abuses as well as other countries. Despite their culture. But look at how the US has treated those captured from Afghanistan, etc. Human rights ... yeah sure!

My country doesn't execute prisoners. Apparently the legal system in USA still happily does so. Well ... some states.

Hmmm. I'm thinking we should split this off into a half decent thread of it's own.

I mean, how many americans remember that Bush swore an oath to uphold the
constitution, yet has been putting himself above it and has set various agencies
of the executive branch against amendment after amendment?

And now his new appointee to the Supreme court has just gutted one of the
principal laws supporting the Fourth. Police don't even have to knock on the
door when serving a search warrant anymore. Just crash right in any old time,
and if you don't like it, sue, at a cost of millions per attempt.

To this guy, the Constitution is an Enemy of the State.
What more does this guy have to do to get impeached?
Tear the paper remnant out of it's display case and burn it?

If I choose to burn the flag in public nothing would happen other than I would get my *** kicked and rightly so. Their have been many American flags burned in protest. Which by the way is illegal in virtually every country in the world. As far as gutting the fourth like I said before when a MAJORITY votes for a different administration then it will change. Until that happens it will remain as is.

This is a time of war and with war come prison camps. These people were trying to kill us that is what happens in war. Cold hard Truth. These prisoners your are defending are the same people that killed Ten's of thousands of their own people just because they were of a different political party. Real nice people wouldn't you say. If you wish to stand for them or with them be my guest. Most people probably would not survive too long in society with them. These are the zealots that kill people just because you do not believe as they do.

So you tell me how would you deal with them. Just sit back and watch them kill anybody who does not believe as they do. I hope they never come to your country and start killing your people. Is this how the rest of the world believe things should be. It saddens me that so many care so little for the others of the world as long as their home is safe. I for one am proud to be from a country that cares. I may not agree with all that happens but at least we are not just sitting around and watching it happen.

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I agree in spirit with what Grandpa said, but when it comes to Bush and the current administration so many things have been done wrong and for selfish and self serving reasons, that Bush could walk on water and start sh1tting out golden eggs and I still wouldn't support him. The sooner he's gone the better. Hopefully after this next election.

IMO the blood of every innocent Iraqi and every soldier killed in Iraq is on his hands. Yet he won't allow testing on frozen embryos that are just going to be thrown away. The mind boggles.

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As I recall, a majority did vote against the current group, but the Electoral
College system, coupled with a bit of tactical disenfranchisement and
gerrymandering in a few key states made a close election swing against the
vote.

As for the concentration camp, not only is it still as illegal as the day it
opened, but we just don't know how many of those political prisoners are
terrorists or just trapped innocents because none have yet had a fair
and open trial.

What I would do is put them on the most widely televised trials in history in a
public place like the Hague and let a proper court hang them once all doubt
was extinguished or release them as quickly as humanly possible. If that had
been done right from the start we'd have boiled that number down to a few
dozen real terrorists by now and the shopkeepers abducted by mistake would
all be back in their shops.

We caught some of those characters just last week and we did it right. They
never got the chance to stage their wave of attacks and they are all facing
real courts with real judges in full view of the public. We got it right and did it
so efficiently that not one person was hurt and not one suspect was
treated unjustly.

Watch and learn, America, as the country that called it right on Gitmo and the
Iraq war from the start shows you how 9/11 and "the war on terror" should
have played out.

You mean to tell me that if it hadn't been for the fact that 911 happened that these people would have been caught any way.Yea right I believe that. Although it is possible. But the situation is a little different. Any idiot could have figured out that a group of people with known ties to terrorist buying several thousand pounds of ammonia nitrate were up to something. But I very seriously doubt that it would have even been noticed if 911 hadn't happened.

Their is quite a bit of difference in the circumstances here Aaron. Like you said not one person was Injured. Not thousands killed. That is not a very good comparison. And during war time it is not illegal to hold prisoners of war. Although as I stated before I do not agree with every thing that has happened.

And you still haven't answered the question of what should happen to the regimes that kill thousands of their own people just because they believe differently than the ruling government. Oh I know turn your head and look the other way. They are just people any way.

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During war, there's the geneva convention for a start. Though it seems in this case USA doesn't believe in it unless it's their own soldiers who are prisoners.

Making this point is NOT suggesting I am supporting terrorists. That's an extremely narrow minded answer to my point.

And as you quoted me there I do not agree with everything that has happend.

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It is the perfect comparison, because we didn't drop the ball when the clues
were paraded right by, and if those jokers had succeeded the damage would
have been just as great to us as it was to the U.S. Like I said, this is how
9/11 should have played out.

As for "prisoners of war", you do realize that if the political prisoners at Gitmo
had been designated as such instead of illegally held, they would have all had
their trials by now, don't you? That's what crime was carried out against
those men and boys.

You claim those prisoners are the ones who kill thousands for political reasons?
Prove it. Show us the evidence. You can't because the Boy Emperor George
is afraid to let anybody see the lack of evidence. Most of those abductees
are nothing of the sort.

You can't claim to be just and civilized if you are not willing to respect the
law. As long as americans turn their head and look away from what their own
president is doing, they must share the guilt and the consequences of his
crimes. Canadians don't do that, which is why our former Prime Minister
is out of office and keeping his head down right now for misuse of a relatively
tiny amount of promotional funds and why his party is virtually wiped out of
Parliament for the next decade or so.

You want to tar others, better test the brush against your own skin first to
see if it would stick there instead of where you wanted. Both Saddam and
Usama were your government's boys in the first place. You made them, armed
them, backed them, betrayed them, and now you are enjoying the fruits of
your labours. While you're thinking about these most recent examples, cast a
fond memory of your other old buddies like Noriega, the Contras, Marcos, the
good old days in Iran and on and on…