By the way. We have answered the the question of what should happen to the
regimes that kill thousands of their own people just because they believe
differently. In fact, we are still on the job in Afghanistan. Where are you?

Well if you wish to believe it is a perfect comparison go ahead. There is quit a bit of difference in Ammonia Nitrate a known ingredient in high explosives or a fast acting food source for plants. And people learning to fly. Especially when you factor in pre 911 and post 911. But believe as you wish.

The fact is this is war time for the US and therefore POW although as I have stated before and will state once again. I do not agree with everything that has happened.

As far as your examples of the Norieaga , etc. etc. These people were trained by the CIA and supported by the US to help fight those that were committing human atrocities. And after they came to power they did the same as the predecessors. And yes at that point we did abandon them and rightly so.

I suppose we should follow the Canadians lead and do nothing gust let the atrocities continue and do nothing but sit and watch. Sorry but I care more than that.

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....Holy sh#t,......am I glad that I haven't engaged in this thread.....

Guess, my mom was right,......never carry your believes, your political preverences and your sex-life into public........all that is meant for your privacy.......

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Perhaps if USA had stayed out of everybody elses politics around the world in the past then they wouldn't be so hated by such people. Pinochet ... why did USA support him? Another mass murderer.

Basically USA goes around the world preaching that everybody should be "just like them". And they hand them lots of money & arms to achieve this. If they don't agree then they get squashed out of the financial markets ... perhaps even embargos, etc. Blackmail I think it's called when they do this.

So basically you are saying whatever happens to the people of the world let it happen. Thats Nice I suppose that is one point of view. One thing that history has repeated over and over is that when a nation becomes a super power that eventually they become hated whether from oppression or jealousy. And this will most likely happen to the US who will the next super power be. The most likely scenario is the Chinese I hope that I do not live to see that happen. But somewhere down the line of my ******* it is probable after all they are the largest nation in the world and actually quite powerful.

Myself I would prefer that the rest of the world be like the US or any other free country rather than a communist country. But that is just personal preference.

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I think I already mentioned it, but the CIA's bungles have stretched back something like 80 years or so.

(The term communism tends to be used for pidgeon-holing. Black & white way of looking at things!) I wouldn't call America central democratic zone. Far rightist of the centre. Otherwise why can't everybody vote who or which party for the election & presidency. ie: Overall national majority of votes for party & leader wins. That's not how the USA election process works.

Just curious but what are you calling the center.

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The fact of the matter is FBI agents were already aware of the suspicious
guys taking flight training and CIA/NSA had heard the buzz about a multiple
hijacking. Our police and intelligence agencies have never been so out of
touch with each other and would have connected the dots instantly, and in
fact that is what they did this time. It's a perfect comparison because
commercial flight training was under the exact same process of review as
ammonium nitrate sales and even by the same respective agency (FBI -
RCMP), not to mention the intercepted communications were monitored by the
exact same international team of agencies because our CSIS/CSE and your
CIA/NSA agencies are always in contact with each other. It doesn't matter
whether 9/11 happened or not because the procedures followed were in place
years before, with the only difference being they have always worked
properly here.

You are proving the case against your own government with each point you
try to make. Stop believing as you wish and focus on the facts.

Those men and boys weren't even given that distinction, which would have
assured them some rights under the Geneva Convention. You need to do more
than sit there and disagree with it, you need to tell your rep and senator what
you think about it and then work to elect anybody but a republican in
your community.

And, by the way, if the U.S. government had prevented 9/11 as it could have,
would it have declared war? No. Of course not, because it would have been
just a major criminal case just like we have here now. If these terrorists had
succeeded in bombing Ottawa and killing our politicians would we have
declared war and suspended our civil rights? No. Of course not, because we
don't have delusions of world domination and a rising dependence on Middle
East oil.

You didn't have to declare war.
You didn't have to forsake your own liberty.
You do have to live with that choice now. It was yours to make.

That's partly right. All of those people were employed primarily to further
american economic and strategic interests, sometimes against corrupt
regimes, but sometimes against working democracies and peaceful countries,
and most of these proxies had bloody hands right from the start. Instead of
putting down your rabid dogs you sat back and watched them play, turned the
other way when it got too bloody, and only after the rabies has spread did
you try to do anything. As usual, up to a decade and (at least) several
thousands of unnecessary deaths too late.

Sometimes you didn't even do that. Remember Saddam? Remember
where he got those chemical weapons? What short memories you have
down there! Is it the heat or seepage from your massive stockpiles?

Do you really know your own country's history?

Take another hard look at our respective records. Which nation has put the
most effort and people into peacekeeping missions throughout the world for
the past fifty years, and which nation has created the most proxy wars
around the world for the past fifty years? Where did the atrocities occur?

Take your time. We're patient people up here.

Bush should have followed our lead and closed Gitmo when we told him to, he
should have followed our lead and stayed out of Iraq until the inspections
were done, and he should have followed our lead and finished the job in
Afghanistan. Trouble is, whenever we had something to say, he was hiding in
his little temple listening only to his handlers, and he had not enough respect
for his peers and neighbors to place their proven good advice above his own
ambitions.

It's time for america to follow our lead and put the boot to the criminals they
elected. We kicked our criminal leaders out (again) for comparitively minor
infractions and instead of weakening ourselves, are stronger than ever before
every time we do it.

Somehow it's not disloyal to do so up here. Go figure. A paradox?

It's a bit of a circle. (Have you ever studied politics? It's too long ago for me!) At one end you have communism/socialism then in the middle democracy then at the other far right you have Fascism. As I said ... it's a bit of a circle. USA is not pure democracy. It's right of the middle.

Sorry Aaron but I will not follow the lead of a Country that will stand by and watch as others are slaughtered and will only interact after another country has done something about it. And keep your blinders on as you walk through life and you wont have to see any of it. And like I said you can believe as you wish about the comparison. And I will believe as I wish. I really do not care what your point of view is as you probably don't care about mine. But I do care about people and their rights. My daughter and son-in-law are currently in the military defending peoples rights. And you are sitting here saying what they are doing is wrong.

Well sit safe behind your computer and keep typing at least they are doing something that might make a difference in someone else's life.

By the way have you ever traveled to some of these middle eastern countries and seen what life is really like or do you just watch the news and read news reports. Have you ever seen a woman carrying a dead baby offering to sell her other child so that she can get food for her other children. I have and it is sickening. My daughter has also seen it. Believe what you wish about these people and what life is like for them. I know what it is like. And I will support anything that may help. And by the way the this was years before the war began.

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