Sorry Ursula I was actually replying to et voilà although having read your excellent and most moderate response it could be to you as well.

We are mostly in agreement, even with:

they are simply alternative actions the user can take, short of rolling up our sleeves and wading into C++ to fix a passing need.

I assume you wouldn't hesitate to found your own steelworks and petrochemical plant whenever your car won't get out of the driveway or stalls twenty times on the way down to the shops.

Personally I don't think I'm up to doing that as well as my day job.

btw I make no claim to being a p2p guru, and knowing a few networking experts, they like to keep it that way (whilst plumbing me for all of my expertise they can extract).

Psst you can tell me s;-)

Ursula I see you are sharing a hefty 1.6gb of eBooks!

I count 74 files in the last 30 hrs totalling 875mb using the s'ware that must remain nameless.

LW did 4 in the last week (37mb), the other two files will not budge above 49% and 2% respectively, I dumped another dozen as hopeless. I have repeatedly searched for alternative sources (I'm stubborn).

The tally of the s'ware that must remain nameless is 12.14Gb in the last few weeks.

I desperately need to correct my firewalls and ports! Can you give me directions please?

s:-)

There have been a few 'changes' recently in the Gnutella client I am using... (Self-proclaimed statistics freaks playing with max settings) so my numbers are slightly down now...

I normally Upload 950MB - 1.1GB of files per 24hrs... With some max Upload Queueing 'games' now being played by above-mentioned freaks, I'm now at a very steady 855MB per 24hrs...
Gnutella Network Works !.............................

ooops !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Norton just came on and said, "I'm gonna scan now cuz you need it... Hmmm... Hope it's not the latest... I've got the AV auto-run normally disabled and rely on the Internet Security Firewall and stuff to protect... When it starts a scan anyway... Bad BOOGIE !

bbl...

Dive ! Dive ! Dive !

As a Mac user --- not on a network, not even protected by a firewall --- I too have found LW downloads impossibly slow, despite the use of a broadband connection. I have also read the FAQs and followed a couple of other threads (including the Mac threads) in an effort to understand what I might be doing wrong. To no avail.

This complaint is not a challenge to the spirit of the LW community (as suggested by Et Voila). It is motivated by simple frustration: I would like the product to work.

In defence of rubaiyat: the problem of religiosity is common to internet discussion forums on many subjects. (I was recently told of an "open forum" on pet care that carried a warning against all posts that defended or promoted pet vaccinations.)

For my part, I will generally lend an ear to the voice of impartiality --- because it frequently coincides with the voice of reason.

Moderator replies (Et Voila and Ursula, I believe?) to rubaiyat's postings have been no better than childish, embarrassing sarcasm that have in no way refuted the points rubaiyat has made. Worse --- they have offered no real help to LW users. Instead, we get testimonials about dowloading hundreds of MBs in a day. Is this intended to help those who haven't accomplished the same feat, or is it simply a way of discrediting complaints?

Rubaiyat has been labelled a spammer (subtext --- heretic?) in large Scarlet Letters (in case anyone in this galaxy should miss the symbolism?). When will we all be invited to the public stoning?

If everyone who uses this product is obliged to offer a testimonial, to improve the "karma" of the community or to be a true believer, then LW is selling snake oil.
In addition, the pretence that this is any sort of forum should be dropped.

Let us see if one of the discussion moderators (who should perhaps consult any standard dictionary on the meaning of the word "moderate" --- as verb, adjective or noun) can make a reasonable reply to my complaint. It is this: downloads using LW in Mac OS X are impossibly slow, and fiddling with the obscure settings, as suggested in your FAQs, has made no measurable difference.

I certainly intend to give LW's rival products a try. If they are slower or more difficult to use, I may have to abandon the search for cherished remasters of the 78s from my childhood. Goodbye Sophie Tucker, Yogi Yorgensen and Jimmy Rodgers.

I certainly feel that some people find LW frustrating. Putting the firewall issues and ISP problems aside, the user is often the own cause of the slow speeds. I always got mp3 at speed above 10Ko/s on LW, except for rare french songs and unknown artists. This is the rules to get great speeds:
1)begin downloading ASAP when the results are coming as this not let time for other clients to go offline.
2)when a download is slow and has only a few sources, you can right click on the tab of your search to get more sources for download (or you can do another search with the specific name of the file which is more accurate)
3)have a preference for files that have more than one source if possible.
4)if with those things you can't get the files in a respectable time (variable as it depends on the patience of every user... ) Do another search and try to download the same file but with a slightly different size or bitrate or name.
5)Optimisation: I usually download the same file from two different results and I cancel the one with the slowest speed after the firts download is complete.
6)there are other productive ways but they don't come to my mind now

Bonne chance

The above comment indicates that the very first and most important thing that you must do in order to attempt to resolve your D/L 'speed' problems is to scan your entire machine for viruses and so-called Adware/Spyware/Dataminers. If you have no protection enabled than your machine is going to be running applications 'in the background' that are consuming some of your available bandwidth.

When you say, "LimeWire downloads," are you referring to files you are downloading specifically from other LimeWire users or are you meaning that 'performance' when using LimeWire is less than the 'performance' of some other Gnutella Network client. (Or, perhaps you are referring to some other iteration of LimeWire that you ran in the past ?)

Obscurity is not a quality which will enhance the potential success of your pursuit of problem resolution and knowledge.

See below...

Strange.
It appears that rubaiyat does not necessarily share your opinion.Beg to differ with you. Read the posts again and you may find that there are numerous comments made in regards to the possible cause(s) of reduced download 'performance'. Further, these forums are packed full of posts which have many helpful tips and 'set-up rules'. The fact that large numbers of people make no effort whatsoever to examine past posts is not the fault or responsibility of any moderator or, more importantly, any forum 'regulars'... The frustration that has been alluded to here is also experienced by people who find posts asking a question which is actually answered in the post(s) immediately above the questioner's post.

As an aside, it is quite amazing how many people post their LimeWire questions in the BearShare Forums !!!
Hardly the latter...
I have many complaints regarding the manner in which users 'operate' on p2p file-sharing networks. The majority are sharing either nothing or far too much... Their machines and OSes are not correctly configured nor maintained.... They share stuff which they have never examined... They change filenames inappropriately... They alter important settings and then 'hammer' away trying to get their precious D/Ls while flooding the network with unnecessary traffic... They go off-line when they get what they wanted, disconnecting from active uploads which may require only seconds or minutes to complete... They... ... ... Get the idea ?

In fact, I would like to see many more cogent comments regarding complaints on user-habits. Contained within such commentaries would be the occassional gems of wisdom and experience that may benefit others.

Testimonials ?

Well, if you're referring to rubaiyat here, I did not find it so much of a testimonial as a simple statement of traffic flow using a different client.
The frequency of his doing that is what constituted the 'Spamming'.
If you are possibly referring to me, I made no comment of testimonial to any client and only mentioned what I am uploading... Gigabytes and Gigabytes worth to LimeWire users, btw !

If you are referring to posts from satisfied users than consider the fact that there are many and varied personality types out there and that some may be having their success from sheer 'dumb-luck'... Some want to keep the 'tips' a 'secret'... Some may be idiot savants with computers but are embarrased with their level of literacy or grasp of the English language... Some have answered the same questions 100s of times and are 'frustrated'... Some haven't a clue but want to 'display' their 'expertise'... Get it ?

And some... Many, many here, in fact, do know and DO help.

What WOULD help the vast majority of people involved in the world of p2p filesharing would be if they actually made some effort to even try to understand what they are doing... Meaning, specifically in this case, to understand the nature of the network...
To understand WHAT Gnutella Network IS !!!


AND, what it is NOT !!!
Because he was spamming.What's with all the religious references around here ?No,These are large Scarlet Letters.
(You don't know Hester by any chance, do you ?
Also, the size used for the word Spamming in the post was 'normal' default size. I hope rubaiyat was not offended by my failure to use something larger !Unfortunately, he has not yet invited me... But, I think I should first find out what he uses to be stoned. Don't you agree ?It's rather difficult to find an example of anyone here suggesting the form of behaviour you mention.
Impossible, actually !Perhaps it has escaped your notice, so, to assist you in recognizing your surroundings here, I'll just remind you that this is Gnutella Forums which provides a place for people to discuss p2p file sharing in relation, primarily, to the Gnutella Network. It is a real plus for the entire community that so many Gnutella Network clients have forums within Gnutella Forums. LimeWire Forums is one of such forums.
Because of the nature of Gnutella Forums it is inevitable that there will be occasional references to comparisons of clients.
Nothing wrong with that !
What is not acceptable has already been partly covered in posts to rubaiyat and it would serve no purpose to repeat them here.

How are et voilà and I doing so far ? A minor detail which would be most edifying for anyone here who may wish to assist you would be for you to first identify:

Your specific OS
Details of your machine
Details of any other applications running concurrently with LimeWire
The specific version of LimeWire you are currently using
Specific details of your ISP connection

"a Mac user --- not on a network, not even protected by a firewall..."

is inadequate if you wish to have any chance of a reasonably 'speedy' response.

Ah...

Here we have another instance of the inadvisability of 'first stone casting'...


The above material you mention indicates quite clearly that your intention is to attempt to download material which is most definitely covered by copyrights. (I have not yet marked them out with an [Edit] so as to be able to provide you with 'evidence'.)

This strikes me as being a bit like going to the hardware store and complaining that the hammer you bought (or possibly got for free !!!) failed to break the glass front of the store you wanted to rob.

Takes some of the shine off of a 'noble' position, hmmm ?


* Sarcasm

btw, cosborn

Do have a re-read of teag_98's post...

Not one single word to indicate anything about the system in use...

No client version

No system information

Nothing that would give a clue to anyone who may wish to help...


Do you have any idea how many posts have been done, trying to help others, only to find that the response had nothing to do with the poster's problem ?

Users have a responsibility to themselves to ensure that they will at least have some chance of receiving assistance.

How would YOU answer the starting post here ?

Don't fret... Take this as a rhetorical question.

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On a point of information. I have just downloaded a copy of Poisoned, which, unlike Limewire Pro, was free of charge. I've found it fast and reliable, at least as a Mac OS X user. It requires little or no sepcialist knowledge about settings, and it appears to perform with the same speed I have seen my friends achieve with P2P software specifically designed for PCs. Moreover, it searches several P2P networks simultaneously, giving slightly (though not remarkably) better search results.

As for your extraordinary claim to possession of the moral high ground (in reference to my nefarious plot to infringe copyright): what a piece of cynical cant. I haven't seen a single piece of music in any search that did not manifestly infringe the spirit, if not the letter, of copyright. (As a publisher I know a little something about the subject.) What a shameful pretence you make. At least I can say that I'm looking for recordings of people who are long dead. And I make no apologies for searching out rare recordings since I spend a few thousand a year buying any decent recordings I can find dating back as far as 1910 and sometimes earlier. Downloading from the internet is a last resort for me, primarily since the quality is generally so poor. I certainly wouldn't pretend that other people had no right to share or download recordings that were precious to them. On the other hand, I suspect that most of the users on this network can find the music they're looking for just as easily on racks of discounted CDs at the Walmart checkout.
My final comments to this forum are:
Tut, tut, pshaw and a firm harrumphhhh!
What !!! No pffffffffffffffffffffffffffft ?


No cant.
References to attempts to download or share copyrighted material, or solicitations to assist in same, are not allowed.

I'll be nice and avoid the [Red]...

ILLEGAL ACTIVITY
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Edited to comply with the House Rules.
Warez, copyright violation, or any other illegal activity may NOT be linked or expressed in any form.


'Remasters' would definitely imply copyrighted material.
Whether an artist is deceased or not, there is still normally someone retaining the copyright to the recorded material.

This is completely standard practice in use in the vast majority of Forum sites which are related to filesharing activities.

The great majority of members here respect this 'rule'.


As far as 'Poisoned' is concerned, either you and/or rubaiyat may wish to speak to those individuals responsible for the client and ask them if they would like to initiate a 'Poisoned Forum' here...
This would be a far better alternative to posting references to it in LimeWire Forums (or any other client specific forum here).

I say that last bit making the assumption that it is a client which is participating in the Gnutella Network. Not being a Mac user nor having investigated the client further, I don't know if it is a participant in Gnutella Network or not.


btw... That is very good news that your harrumphhhhs are firm !

As the years advance, loose harrumphhhhs can be a most embarrasing problem.

I sense that you don't take my replies to you very seriously.

You force me to go even further and show you an example of the last Serial Troll and Copyright Infringer we dealt with.

We do take this HOBBY seriously, you know !

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