uploaders/leeches
 

hi. ive been having way too many problems with leechers.
for example. im downloading a movie that is still not finished downloading yet there is 20 users trying to upload the movie. how to i stop that.

Simple...

Use a client that still allows you to disable Partial File Sharing and...
also allows you to disable the normal stupidity of the default 'Share Your Downloads Folder'...

Only idiots defend the sharing of files that have not yet been tested/vetted...
Unfortunately, there are a lot of idiots out there...
Some of them seen 'wearing' developer hats !

:eek:


btw... It is 100% impossible for you to, in any way whatsoever, brand people who wish to get a file from you as leechers...
You are simply wrong... You have no idea what they may or may not be sharing...

Also, YOU are the Uploader in the case you are describing...
Others are hoping to Download FROM you !

You Upload TO others...
Others Download FROM you !

Mind that 'first stone casting' stuff, huh ? ;)

They probably aren't leechers--they are part of the "download mesh" just like you, i.e--all the users who are sharing all the pieces of that file they have as you all download it. The advantage for you is that if one of them gets a part of the file you don't already have, you'll be getting it from them very quickly. This great idea is called Partial File Sharing (PFS), and solves a big leecher problem. The original source uploads parts of the file to different people who turn around and share their part with others. Neat, eh? No one user has to take all the hit on bandwidth and slots.

You can turn PFS off in the options, but that's pretty cheap.

Cheers

Hey, stief !!!

lol

Great timing !

BUT, where shall we slug it out over PFS ?????

:mad:

but is there anyway to maybe have 4 or 5 uploader and not 20?

Peerless, you're right about the settings: good thing LW allows you only to share as much or as little as you want, even if it does allow leechers to get away easily.

vintagedork--PFS can be a pain, especially when I'm missing only a few MB which are unavailable, and I've 6 or so uploaders taking up all my upload slots and bandwidth. But--you can change your settings on the fly (at least with the new LW 3.9 betas--probably the regular ones too). So, what I do is reduce the slots to 1 per person, limit the slots to 3, and throttle the upload bandwidth to twice what is coming in. I figure all of us on PFS are sharing the file without knowing what it truly is, so I don't share my completed items files until they are verified as acceptable. So the rule of thumb I use is to allow twice as much to be loaded up as I'm getting down. That way I'm not leeching. It's not ideal, but is a workaround for now.

What I'm hoping the devs will allow (when they have time), is to at least reserve some upload slots for my verified shares so that those don't get pushed out

Ursula--the posting time was funny. I didn't delete mine because we didn't totally overlap. I didn't know we disagreed on PFS, however. I can see how a malicious file could be spread very quickly that way, but so can legitimate files. Until they are complete we have no way of truly knowing if they are bad, and gnutella (like all communities) can't develop on a major presumption of malice. We agree about your strong recommendation of not sharing the dl folder, right?

I guess I figure the advantages outweigh the risks, and the risks can be prudently reduced, so the net result is we benefit.

I'd like to hear what pieces of the argument I'm missing (seriously).

Cheers

Another quick comment about so-called 'leechers'...

People who are making themselves available to be Ultrapeers, and thereby benefiting the entire Gnutella Community, should not... ideally... Should NOT be sharing.

Perhaps there are some Ultrapeers who have such bandwidth capacity that it is possible for them to do a modest amount of sharing, but this is not the norm.
Many users who are acting as Ultrapeers do not in fact have the capacity to do the 'job' properly... When they are sharing as well as acting as an Ultrapeer, the Ultrapeer functions 'suffer'.

Many Ultrapeers know this, which will explain why you can so often see that an Ultrapeer is either sharing zero content or very, very little.

The entire question regarding so-called 'leeches' is not a simple one to resolve... But, the worst possible solution(s), such as 'punishing' people who are not sharing by either attempting to 'block' them or perhaps hiding their shared folders, :rolleyes: are simply stupid.

I hope everyone will THINK before branding anyone a 'leech'.