Gnutella Forums  

Go Back   Gnutella Forums > Gnutella News and Gnutelliums Forums > General Gnutella Development Discussion
Register FAQ The Twelve Commandments Members List Calendar Arcade Find the Best VPN Today's Posts

General Gnutella Development Discussion For general discussion about Gnutella development.


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old June 27th, 2002
Moak's Avatar
Guest
 
Join Date: September 7th, 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 816
Moak is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
So the water is fine here now Moak, jump back on in!
Hope Shareaza goes open source.
Sorry definitely not anymore in this forum. Hope someone else can help you.
Reply With Quote
  #12 (permalink)  
Old June 27th, 2002
Gnutella Muse
 
Join Date: February 3rd, 2002
Posts: 186
mrgone4662 is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Moak

Sorry definitely not anymore in this forum. Hope someone else can help you.
Does this mean you're leaving us again? Or are you just looking for yet another farewell party?
Reply With Quote
  #13 (permalink)  
Old June 28th, 2002
Moak's Avatar
Guest
 
Join Date: September 7th, 2001
Location: Europe
Posts: 816
Moak is flying high
Default

that's the gnutella family life, harmony & joy.
Reply With Quote
  #14 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
Devotee
 
Join Date: January 18th, 2002
Posts: 22
James Connolly is flying high
Default

It's incorrect that the *.gnutellanet.com host caches and that all of the *.bearshare.net host caches drop 0.4 handshakes. I did several 0.4 handshakes with a gnutellanet and a bearshare.net host cache a few minutes ago and got replies from both. I wrote the code myself and was watching it with tcpdump as well as within the code so I'm 100% certain of this. I'm not sure that they all handshake only 0.6 all of the time, and that they always will, but I do know that both gnutellanet.com and bearshare.net still respond to 0.4 handshaking on some basis.
Reply With Quote
  #15 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
BearShare Developer
 
Join Date: May 25th, 2001
Posts: 163
Vinnie is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by sanelson
The only host-cache that doesn' allow third party clients is router.limewire.com.
Their host cache is Java based, and has some problems handling more than 100 to 200 connections per second, this is why they closed it off.

I believe they are close to releasing a new client which doesn't rely on host caches at all, although I am very wary of this feature because it opens the network to more attacks.
Reply With Quote
  #16 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
Morgwen's Avatar
lazy dragon - retired mod
 
Join Date: October 14th, 2001
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,927
Morgwen is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Vinnie
I believe they are close to releasing a new client which doesn't rely on host caches at all, although I am very wary of this feature because it opens the network to more attacks.
AFAIK they released it, the new beta 2.5 is out but I didnīt test it yet...

And why it opens the network to more attacks, you should explain your statements!

Morgwen
Reply With Quote
  #17 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
BearShare Developer
 
Join Date: May 25th, 2001
Posts: 163
Vinnie is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
the clustering attempt by vinnie to get more market share was a great waste of vinnies time
Not at all, it works rather well. BearShare clients who enter the BearShare-rich portion of the network benefit from more files with hashes and Keep-Alive support.

Quote:
it backfired on him when morpheus took all his market share. He can now cluster all the way to zero users.
Morpheus only added users to the Gnutella network, it did not take any away. Fortuntately, BearShare's clumping feature isolated our users from the many bugs in the Morpheus implementation of Gnucleus.

Quote:
Looks like Shareaza is going to further kick bearshares market in the butt.
Rather doubtful. If anything, Shareaza will cause client developers to build in defenses against this client, since it allows users to have practically no limits on the number of Ultrapeers, download retries, etc...

Not forward thinking, and rather unfriendly to the network if you ask me.

Qtrax anyone?
Reply With Quote
  #18 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
Morgwen's Avatar
lazy dragon - retired mod
 
Join Date: October 14th, 2001
Location: Germany
Posts: 2,927
Morgwen is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Vinnie
If anything, Shareaza will cause client developers to build in defenses against this client, since it allows users to have practically no limits on the number of Ultrapeers, download retries, etc...
Yes you are right its easier to block the clients instead of talking to them...

Morgwen
Reply With Quote
  #19 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
BearShare Developer
 
Join Date: May 25th, 2001
Posts: 163
Vinnie is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Morgwen
And why it opens the network to more attacks, you should explain your statements!
I believe their scheme hinges on sending GGEP-ed pongs with uptime information. The idea is that higher uptime addresses will be preferred over shorter uptime, to speed the connection process.

The problem with this scheme, is that a hostile entity can flood the network with bogus GGEP-ed pongs that claim very high uptimes. If the pongs have random IP addresses, it will greatly increase the bootstrap procedure and users will leave the network (or choose a different client).

On the other hand, our "anchor heartbeat" message is digitally signed, cannot be faked, and contains the addresses of known connectible Ultrapeers whose identities are secured. Fortunately, we are making the format of this message available to everyone so that even the open source servents can benefit.

This message, and others, are detailed by me in the GDF:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/8222

You're welcome in advance, you can thank me for pushing Gnutella forward later (maybe around BearShare 5.0.0 or 6.0.0).
Reply With Quote
  #20 (permalink)  
Old July 2nd, 2002
BearShare Developer
 
Join Date: May 25th, 2001
Posts: 163
Vinnie is flying high
Default

Quote:
Originally posted by Morgwen
Yes you are right its easier to block the clients instead of talking to them...
Have you talked to them? I don't see them in the GDF.

Comments like that, Morgwen, expose your bias against BearShare and your penchant for criticism over substance.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question on firewalled servents , 0.4 protocol Carlos R. del Moral General Gnutella Development Discussion 1 February 12th, 2005 10:29 AM
Hard time getting connected to 3.x with other servents guruz LimeWire Beta Archives 0 June 21st, 2003 05:38 AM
Blocking other servents (BS answer for everything) Unregistered BearShare Open Discussion 49 June 6th, 2002 02:06 PM
Open-source superpeer servents? maksik General Gnutella Development Discussion 2 March 3rd, 2002 03:31 PM
How do servents setup their connection? Dirk-Jan General Gnutella / Gnutella Network Discussion 1 May 21st, 2001 06:40 PM


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 12:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.

Copyright Đ 2020 Gnutella Forums.
All Rights Reserved.