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Old April 18th, 2002
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Default Re: WAY off topic but...

Quote:
Originally posted by gnutellafan
Trolls could be banned by email.
And so far how many people have been banned that way? How many do you plan to ban? Would you like to be banned because you had a strong point of view against/for some politically hot topic? Banning someone just creates enemies and more trolling. It takes 1 minute to create a yahoo mail account, and then you never have to read it and forget the password after a day so trolls can still be trolls and you made it harder to contribute here.
I find it easy to answer someone's question by just posting, not having to turn on cookies, log in and all.
When you turn off cookies on some browsers your cookie file is deleted, so if I turn it on/off for this board I would have to log in each time.
Wonder why you get popup ads/windows? Keep that JavaScript turned on too. Oh I forgot, in Explorer by Bill Gates you have no clue what that is so he can SPAM you, how nice.
The mods here seem to be keeping things in check through the threat of message editing. I see it working, don't you?
Control is bad, you should learn from governments that have tried it.
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Old April 18th, 2002
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Default Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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Originally posted by Unregistered

Besides, it's fun watching Unregistered argue with another Unregistered, or is it with himself?
As annoying as it is to try figuring out which "Unregistered" you're dealing with, I really have to agree with this
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Old April 19th, 2002
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Default Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

Quote:
Originally posted by Unregistered
As a mod, you should be more open minded. We don't need a wild person deleting posts because it's "irritating". I know you haven't yet, but absolute power corrupts...
Hmm...

He is only a mod on bearshare.net not here, they have other rules there!

The absolut power have normally ONE man the admi, he makes the rules and the mods have to follow. Some admis are open minded (see CycloCide) and some think deleting and moving annoying posts its an OPEN discussion (see Vinnie)...

Yes mods have some powers but the admis seek for people they can trust to. I am also biased sometimes but I would never delete or edit a thread because MY opinion is one side, my job as a mod the other...

Morgwen
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Old April 19th, 2002
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Default Re: Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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He is only a mod on bearshare.net not here, they have other rules there!
KathW is a mod at bearshare.net? And she's a he?
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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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KathW is a mod at bearshare.net? And she's a he?
Argh...

I thought unregistered ment gnutellafan!

Morgwen
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Old April 20th, 2002
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Exclamation People can post anonymously if they want to

I prefer to post anonymously myself, because it actually forces you to make your posts make sense - or they will be disregarded.

'Reps' only encourage you to rely on your rep.

I ended up getting a nick because a) some nazis consider it necessary or they don't listen, b) main one, it makes it easier for me to find my old posts to refer to them.

Nos
PS here is <A HREF="http://www.limewire.org/">KathW</A> for the imte being. I think they must surely be due to promote some other volunteer worker on limewires site shortly.
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Old April 20th, 2002
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Default Re: WAY off topic but...

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Forcing people to log in would make it more of a pain for ppl that only want to cause trouble. Trolls could be banned by email.
I think that is the reason why Vinnie demanded that ONLY registered people are allowed to post in the bearshare forums...

Funny is that only people who donīt like Vinnie or bearshare make trouble... I WONDER WHY???

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Old April 20th, 2002
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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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Argh...

I thought unregistered ment gnutellafan!

Morgwen
No, I prefer to log in and be heard. I have no problem with xolox. Was I in favor of blocking it? Yes. The client was no longer in development and any problems with it were not going to be fixed. Therefor if it was harming the network I thought it should be blocked. I am happy to see that the Xolox team will be back with a new client. I look forward to seeing what new inovations they introduce. In fact I have been talking with them making suggestions.


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Funny is that only people who donīt like Vinnie or bearshare make trouble... I WONDER WHY???

Morgwen
Yes, it is funny that "only only people who donīt like Vinnie or bearshare make trouble". Vinnie has definitly rubbed some people the wrong way to put it politely, but he has made an excellent client and helped keep the gnet alive. Often I feel that there is no point in coming to these boards as the troll population here is so large. Very little gets accomplished besides people complaining about this and that.

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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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Vinnie has definitly rubbed some people the wrong way to put it politely, but he has made an excellent client and helped keep the gnet alive. Often I feel that there is no point in coming to these boards as the troll population here is so large. Very little gets accomplished besides people complaining about this and that.
Gnutellafan,

tell me what you are doing besides COMPLAINING???

Yes all people here are trolls because they donīt agree with your bearshare propaganda!

Some of this so called trolls tried to say there opinion on bearshare.net but on bearshare.net there is CENSORSHIP, our KING Vinnie donīt want disagreement in his kingdom!

It doesnīt matter if Vinnie make a good client or not until he is not able to discuss critic without flames, look at Limewire these guys are able to read critic, reply politly and discuss it...

Morgwen
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Old April 20th, 2002
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Default Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Ignorance abounds

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Some of this so called trolls tried to say there opinion on bearshare.net but on bearshare.net there is CENSORSHIP, our KING Vinnie donīt want disagreement in his kingdom!

It doesnīt matter if Vinnie make a good client or not until he is not able to discuss critic without flames, look at Limewire these guys are able to read critic, reply politly and discuss it...

Morgwen,
I dont know what posts you follow over at bearshare.net but Vinnie has always been very open to my ideas and critics as long as they are presented in a constructive manner. I would not expect anyone to respond to, "i hate x." Tell them why x is bad and what you would suggest to change it. Ideas for improving the network. The same topics are always repeated here:

- "no comercial clients" (these same people probably would have complained about netscape and IE as commercial clients for the internet).

-"no spyware/adware". Hey, you have choices as to what client you use

- "Vinnie rules the GDF". I agree that watching the GDF is a slow and frustrating experience. But you cannot blame this on Vinnie. Different ppl have their priorities and push them. It is an open network and anyone COULD implement anything they want. I could point you to countless threads on bye packets, date stamps, and all kinds of other stuff. The fact is that Vinnie, nor LW, rule the GDF and that is exactly why things take so long. They listen to all of the developers and work on an agreement! That is the nature of an open protocol. A closed protocol network could move much faster.

-"BS blocks client X". IF you agree with this or not it doesnt really matter. BS will still allow ALL clients to upload and download from it. It will return searches to all clients. It just doesnt connect to them. So what. The network is huge. You only connect to 1-20 clients. So none of them are BS, SO WHAT.

-"BS clusters". So what. It doesnt effect the rest of the network and there is still plenty of interconnection with the rest of the network. LW does the same thing. WHY? Because they offer features that the rest of the network doesnt. If they arent near other clients with the same features than the features are worthless. It would be stupid not to cluster.


So, what are some issues that I have strongly disagreed with Vinnie on?

-"Limiting search results": Before everyone flames Vinnie, I should point out that John Marshall (Gnucleus) just proposed the same thing at the GDF (and yes he participates in the GDF). The limiting of search results is a major fault of the FT network. We need to make Gnutella better than FT, not the same.

-"Partial file sharing": Vinnie does not believe in the virtue of this feature. I have pushed it hard at the BS forums. Vinnie has always replied with reason and logic (though I still disagree). He has NEVER deleted, edited, censored any of my posts.

The bearshare forums are an open place for constructive input.
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