Do you know the people in this thread here? I know some of them... I know what they are doing!!!

Do you really think you help Gnutella by SUPPURTING ONE client? No you can only support Gnutella if you try to talk with the developers! I know you posted in the GDF... but do you really think anybody cares what you wrote there? If you want that the developers hear talk with them in private!!!

Yes we have all different ways how we help Gnutella!!! But you started that WE only are claiming and DO NOTHING (in an other thread!)... I know many of this people here spent many time for Gnutella - I mean Gnutella we try to improve the network and not just ONE client... everybody has his favourite client BUT WE HELP THEM ALL!!! Yes I also helped bearshare until Vinnie started to attack me... today I don´t want to support any of the commercial clients, or I want that they pay me for it! I decide WHAT I DO with my private time!!!

Nobody said that you shouldn´t contribute your ideas... but STOP promoting bearshare!!! This is the GENERAL GNUTELLA DISCUSSION forum not the bearshare forums, so if you think you have to promote bearsahre go to the bearshare forums... if you want to discuss about the NETWORK than STAY on topic please!!!

We discuss here about improving the network and not adding some features to a client...

Morgwen

bearshare moderator has spoken, for the sake of Gnutella, bearshare is so cool, not 100% perfect, but great, rhabarber rhabarber. offtopic, you're not a troll, you're a nice guy maybe, together with Becker nicest and most fair bearshare mods. Your posts are still vinniebearshary colored and you're dancing with the devil. that's it. next.

I know how to unlock it!

Morgwen

Qtella has a windows version... but it is only an alpha... you should ask Etzi when he is going to release it!

Gnucleus is Ok, sure a try worth!

But I wait now for Xolox or stay with eDonkey!

Morgwen

Morgwen, you have NO idea what conversations I have in PRIVATE with developers do you. I talk with many of them as I see the need to improve the entire network, not simply attack one client. If only you could see what you are actaully saying. If I say anything positive about BS its just pr and all I care about is BS. Of course you can turn around and talk about how xolox is the best thing since sliced bread but you of course remain completely impartail (except of course for your extreme hatred of BS).

Then please stop using the forums to simply attack BS. I do not promote bearshare. have only offered the other side of the argument when all of the ant-BS setiment begins to fly.

Its a free forum here the user can post what they want! And there is a reason why some of them attack bearshare, clustering, spyware, Vinnie etc.! And why the users cannot say their opinion about bearsahre, is only Vinnie allowed to trash clients like Xolox???

About your discussions with client developers, so you are a big guy are you? Do you really think the developers talk only with you? You said the most people complain here - hey do you really think you are the only one who tries to change something?

Yes you love bearsahare others not, yes I am biased against bearshare but others are not - funny that they post almost the same!!! So lets quit our off topic disussion here or start an other thread in the bearshare forums!

Morgwen

gnutellafan> First it is Vinnies board, so he is free to do with it as he sees fit.

That sums it up pretty good.
This isn't Vinnie's forum, it isn't under his control, no one client is represented here so it's the only FREE and OPEN place you can post about gnutella.
No reason to go anywhere else!

BTW: I love how these threads all get moved to "general guntella".

gnutellafan> as far as I know no one else in this thread has a client or has contributed significant code to a client, so if you ask me to stop contributing my IDEAS (and I wont) I would ask you to do the same.

I did. And I did stop already. So stop contributing to BearShare or LimeWire in any way until they get off Gnutella. And block, block, block them to hell. And if you think it took a Jr. programmer to make the blocking code, go look at all the GUI code I had to do. I think the other programmers would love to do this too, but it's a bit too politically "hot" for them to do it, so I have to do it for them.

You are all losing out on cool features because some developers won't write one more line of code to improve gnutella till the greed leaves. I hope more developers follow. I won't give Vinnie any more support or $$$.
Who wants to contribute a lot of time and effort when someone else profits financially? Go to hell Vinnie, I am not your free little worker bee and gnutella is not your kingdom or profit center.
You have to understand that a lot of the improvements to open source clients are provided by "outside" people who privately e-mail code to the "main" developers. Many don't want credit given, but like to contribute.
Vinnie & co. are going to screw that up for all of you.
However, I will use all my skills in ways that help allow people to remove them and the greed from gnutella. They won't leave unless they are forced to leave, this is the problem with greed on gnutella and it will get worse if we don't stop it now. You can see how much it takes to just get them to pay any attention to ths issue. They don't care what they do to gnutella as long as the $$ flow in. Greed sucks.

gnutellafan> "no spyware/adware". Hey, you have choices as to what client you use

Where have you been? When you choose to use BearShare you force me to contribute to Vinnies new car purchases because you are not just using other BearShare clients to pass your packets and supply you with files. His ads are now supported by my CPU cycles and network resources.
I didn't choose to contribute to BearShare!
You also pass spy packets through my machine, and who knows what else. I don't support spyware.
I now have a way to block the spyware and greed and it's at http://opensourcep2p.sourceforge.net/

gnutellafan> "Partial file sharing": Vinnie does not believe in the virtue of this feature. I have pushed it hard at the BS forums.

Way ahead of you, there are a lot of things that users would benefit from but Vinnie and LimeWire won't add them because it might somehow affect their advertisers. Think hard about how your ideas will affect their ads and you will figure it out. Greed is not always logical, is mostly a twisted way of thinking, and almost always ends up in some sort of control over YOU, the user (or do they think you are the "loser"?) or your resources.

So I strongly suggest for the sake of gnutella, which you support, that you stop using a greedy client and switch today. Gnucleus has all the features of BearShare and more, with no spam or spyware, and my version will allow you to clean up gnutella.

Just by using a free client you're fighting back!

BearShare is awful, and I think that Vinnie guy should either play by the Gnutella rules or design his own network.

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