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Old May 11th, 2002
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nonsense!

v0.4 clients are connected through non-Bearshare clients to the Gnutella network, Bearshare is blocking them! without some fair other clients Xolox wouldn't be able to find and download files from Bearshare. also Bearshare does advantage Bearshare clients. the protocol doesn't say that, your screenshot doesn't show it, but Vinnie did it and you know that too.

it is obviously true, that Bearshare alone would block some clients and does disadvantage all other clients. it's fact that other clients grant access and being fair, but Bearshare is a selfish pain for Gnutella. with a click of a button you are becoming a freeloader too, wtf, where does Bearshare misbehaviour ends....??

so please, save your hipocrisy and stop flooding with wrong information. don't you have some homeworks to do?
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Xolox 1.12 users can download from BearShare without any problem. Bearshare is only blocking any incoming connection attempts for gnutella connections not for file transfer connections.
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Read post above: without other clients, Xolox 1.12 users can not download from Bearshare.

Q: How do you download from a client if you can't search for files and can't see search results (Queryhits)?
A: You can't! Other clients grant access to the Bearshare network, Bearshare alone would 100% block it! Understand how Gnutella works and you understand you can't download without connecting to other clients and without the possibility to search for files.

Conclusion: Bearshare is not fair, blocks and disadvantages clients, is splitting the network.
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Quote:
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Xolox 1.12 users can download from BearShare without any problem.
this is obviously not true!

If you can't find a non-bearshare client (by accident) which itself is connected to a Bearshare client (by accident again), you can not download any file from Bearshare clients! While bearshare clients cluster together, it is hard to find such a relayed connection to a Bearshare client. When running statistics, you'll see Bearshare does play a minor role and will advantage itself.

Please stop flooding with wrong information.
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I'v already been connected to BearShare nodes with GTK-Gnutella & LimeWire.
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yes, Bearshare does not block those two... disadvantaging them only.
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don't confuse gnutella 0.6 connections (host connection, blocked) with HTTP 200 connections (get file, not blocked) just because you can't query a Bear, doesn't mean you cant query a bear by proxy. through morph, gnucleus, or any 0.6 client that doesn't block 0.4 connections

right now running xolox 1.12 i'm downloading from
BearShare 2.6.0 Server at 205.150.35.xxx Port 6346
so give it a rest.
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Of course Bearshare and Limewire lovers don't see problems. Sorry that some users and developers do complain and turn their back to gnutella.
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PS: how did you find out that you are downloading from Bearshare? xolox 1.12 doesnt show IPs or vendor IDs, even netstat doesnt show you vendor IDs. *wondering*
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I put the IP I was DLing from into IE address window. I have a firewall "status window" that shows all connections in real time. but netstat would work too.
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