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Old May 11th, 2002
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pretty smart, I have to say.
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Unhappy The only thing i can answer...

The only thing i can answer to all the troll posts on the forum is: goodbye gnutella, i'll come back when the situation has changed (too sad that it'll not change until Bearshare&Limewire are completely separated and don't pretend using the gnutella network)
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Originally posted by Unregistered Conclusion: Bearshare is not fair, blocks and disadvantages clients, is splitting the network.
That's ok, hope they split all the way off !
Block'em back
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There is a new p2p client on the horizon if people want to check it out...its called Seeker, and they released their Alpha sometime this week i'm not sure...I think Seeker's main concern is tackling the scalibility concerns that Gnutella has

http://www.skyris.com/alpha.html

looks pretty solid but not many users yet i think
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Default seeker has spyware

no more word to it. it showed me banners, it is - crap. it found 16 users, no files for 10 searches, the design is crappy. I don't know if it has a future, but it has to change for 180 degrees.
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Quit the Bearshare and Limewire bashing!!!!!! Before these clients, gnutella was useless. Both of these clients have implemented features to help improve d/l success rate, scalabity, and bandwidth usage. These companies have also infested thousands of dollars so everyone can have access to a better network. The talk about Limewire and Bearshare creating their own networks is bullsh*t!!!! It makes sense to make sure Bearshare clients connect to each other since they all have similiar features such as file hashing. Bearshare still connects with other clients and trades files with them, and at the same time, provides a large percentage of the available content on the gnutella network. 0.4 clients were blocked because it was an old protocol on old clients that were bad for the health of ALL the network. Limewire's creation of Ultrapeers is a great step in solving bandwidth and scalability issues, and im glad they got it out as soon as they did. Bearshare is testing ultrapeers in their alpha releases right now, and Bearshare works with Limewire clients and will work with other clients once they implent Ultrapeers. I haven't yet seen one person bashing Bearshare and Limewire create a client close to their quality.
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Now they want their thousands of dollars invested back, and they want you use YOU to get it back, plus a hefty profit.
All the while the open source people were working on the same things, for free, and have surpassed the pay for clients now. Where was all the support for them?
Because the pay for clients invested $$, they were ahead for a while and everyone supported them, but if the greedy *******s would have picked some other place to make their fortunes, the open source clients would have gotten more support and would be way further along.
You also missed out on some really cool features because the commercial interests won't program in things that don't jive with their ad revenue stream.

You are right though, don't bash them, just BLOCK them.
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They're not making all these $$$. The cost of bandwith for operating the limewire hostcahe is a few thousand dollars alone. After factoring in all the costs, i seriously doubt the commercial companies are striking it rich. Blocking them might sound like an idea, but then u would be left with a network full of poorly developed clients and little content.
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for a decentralized network, you sure need alot of servers. LOL
what's next? central servers AND host caches? Trying to build a new napster?
keep the gnutella (xotella) network decentralized.
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After proprietary protocol extensions, freeloading support, spyware, clustering, disadvantaging and client badmouthing.... here is the new innovation of Vinnie's Bearshare: splitting the Gnutella network (called "Secure Channels").

From Bearshare net: "You can choose to receive all query replies, downloads and uploads only from other BearShare clients". As usual Bearshare tries to sell this as a technical necesarry advantage. Good luck developers with your dear GDF fellow Vinnie.

There is only one question left: How long does it take until Limewire implements this feature?

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