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Warning to Gnutella developers: Design a system of anonymity or Gnutella is doomed I realize Gnutella's entire concepts relies on public IPs, but if more people get their ISPs shut down, word will spead and people will quickly migrate to one of the secure apps, such as Freenet, filetopia, etc. I personally am very fond of my Gnutella apps and don't want to see this happen. This is why I warn the developers to somehow take some measures in this area or else Gnutella may not be here in a year or so. I'm not a programmer, so I don't know of the difficulties this may create. But somehow, regardless of the difficulties, Gnutella needs to evolve security without centralization or else it is doomed. |
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Gnutella is a filesharing network and not meant for copyright infringement. Of course you can use it for violations of intellectual property, but don't expect the developers to optimize the network for that purpose. |
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Perhaps this is true, but a majority of the transfers on the gnutella network are copyrighted mp3 files and so forth. Thus, if people no longer feel safe sharing these files they will go to a place where they do feel safe (freenet, filetopia,etc) Even if this wasn't gnutella's original intentions, if they want to preserve any semblence whatsoever of a network, they must address this issue. |
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Just for the record, freenet is NOT a file-sharing network. Ask the developers. Sharing large amounts of movies or mp3s just won't work reliably enough. And for the further record. Filetopia IS NOT anonymous. Whenever you establish a download connection, you will know the IP of the client you are connecting to. - In addition, the client server architecture makes it especially vulnerable to law suits. |
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If copyright infringement is not the main goal, why not just use ftp servers or webpages? Face it, people use "file sharing" to get songs, movies and software without buying it. You said it yourself in speaking of "freenet": "the client server architecture makes it especially vulnerable to law suits". |
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The only weak point Gnutella has is the Initial Connection Problem. Gnutella is indeed decentralised but at first you always need a known host to connect to. Today these known hosts are hosts like: router.limewire.com:6346 public1.bearshare.com:6346 connect1.gnutellanet.com:6346 connect2.gnutellanet.com:6346 connect3.gnutellanet.com:6346 connect4.gnutellanet.com:6346 So this would be a good place to start killing p2p. I think if anyone would shut down the most known hosts no one could connect to the network since they have no place to start. Clients who are already connected however arent affected by that problem because they have already built up a big cache of known hosts. |
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messages like Gnutella 0.4 and messages needed to communicate between the clients? They could also block the port 6346 which is used by most of the clients. OK, now its quite easy to encrypt the Gnutella 0.4 msgs and change the port but that would take quite long to manage. If all ISPs work against Gnutella it will become quite hard to keep the structure working if all developers dont work together. |
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