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Old August 6th, 2002
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Question Oh people, whats that about?

Just read it in the Gnucleus forum...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/26433.html

I think many guys are too excited, no one is our *enemy*,
make love not war...
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Hello!

I definetly agree with Tomas C Greene on this issue.

The RIAA and their likes surely has to much power and are threatening the democratic rights of the US citizens and also citizens in foreign countrys.The way they have been able to pass legislation in the US justice system is frightening.It seems like the Justice system are to much influenced by the lobbying of large powerfull corporations and their organisations.The Bush scandal and his involvement with Enron is proof of that.It seems like the large corporations and their organisations are deliberatly sneeking they way into the Government by making close relationships to Government officials and probably even some of them are suceptible to bribery.This is a method they are using to gain in power and thats probaly one of the reasons they have so successfully succeeded in the for instance the recent CARP issue.

The democracy is not something that has been given to us but people had to fight hard and alot of lives where spilled during this long going struggle to reach where we are today.

And we cannot relax now but we must indeed start a war agains the RIAA and their likes because they are threatening the Democracy in some aspects.

So no way I am going to love the RIAA they deserve to go to jail all of them.We can arrest them for "Crime against Humanity and Democracy"
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Hello!

I definetly agree with Tomas C Greene on this issue.

The RIAA and their likes surely has to much power and are threatening the democratic rights of the US citizens and also citizens in foreign countrys.The way they have been able to pass legislation in the US justice system is frightening.It seems like the Justice system are to much influenced by the lobbying of large powerfull corporations and their organisations.The Bush scandal and his involvement with Enron is proof of that.It seems like the large corporations and their organisations are deliberatly sneeking they way into the Government by making close relationships to Government officials and probably even some of them are suceptible to bribery.This is a method they are using to gain in power and thats probaly one of the reasons they have so successfully succeeded in the for instance the recent CARP issue.

The democracy is not something that has been given to us but people had to fight hard and alot of lives where spilled during this long going struggle to reach where we are today.

And we cannot relax now but we must indeed start a war agains the RIAA and their likes because they are threatening the Democracy in some aspects.

So no way I am going to love the RIAA they deserve to go to jail all of them.We can arrest them for "Crime against Humanity and Democracy"
But actually they are the victims, they spend millions on making big promotion for a cd and then its available in the net before it has even been released. Sometimes when I read the WOM magazine (which has the release dates of the cds) I think:
"Hey, didnt I already see it in the net?"

You start a war because you were commiting crime?
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But actually they are the victims, they spend millions on making big promotion for a cd and then its available in the net before it has even been released. Sometimes when I read the WOM magazine (which has the release dates of the cds) I think:
"Hey, didnt I already see it in the net?"

You start a war because you were commiting crime?
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But that is precisely my point!.They practically made the legislations regarding Copyright protection that we currently have hence made us criminals(They have to much power in the US justice system as I described in my previous post).There is no public support for such laws in the general public.And also the methods they have used in the past and are planning to use to stop according to them illegal distribution of Copyrighted material is so out of line that they do deserve to go to jail themselfs they are by no means victims even if they want you and everyone else to think so.They are infact thieves themselfes well atleast the record companys that they represent.They are stealing the copyright and most of the money that the sales bring in from the artists.They are sort of a maffia organisation that way!

If it where not for filesharing I am sure that the drop in sales would have been even worse.In Sweden the sales have actually gone up 9% the last year(How strange that that is the case when Filesharing exist,they truly are stupid).However the reason that the general international sales have gone down for the last copule of years is due to these factors:

-The major reason is the fact that the prices on albums today are way to high $17 for an album is to high for many peoples wallets.A drop to a price of about $12 for an album would probably raise the sales of albums with about 50%giving the record industry an increase in profit with about 15% compared to today.But they seem to be to stupid to realise that.

-To much crappy music is realesed these days so many people gets full of music and feels no need to go out and buy it.A little less frequent realeses from artists such as Britney Spears etc would definetly help improve their sales(Because people would not get tired of hearing their music) hence also help the less popular artists whitin the same label.

-These days you can hear music everywhere you go in the malls on various music tv channels but also ordinary channels.On the radio in your car and at home and ofcourse also in your home stereo and your computer and on very many conserts so people gets more full of music these days then they used to and consumers willingess or urge to buy a CD has fallen a little bit.

Personally I do not like the way the major record companys are pushing their artists these days they are never free and are constanly pushed over the limit no wonder they get worned out and have a short career because they no longer have the strenght to continue.To many scheduled appearences and to heavy tours and promotions gets the best out of them leaving very little left.And yeat the record companys gets the most money and on top of that they even claim to own the artists music(Copyright).They truly are thieves.If it where just shared equaly 50/50 it would be OK but that is not the case they take like 80-90% of the artists income.They treat their artists like well almost like slaves and also they see us consumers as the enemy when it is themselfes that are to be blaimed for the recent drop in sales.So they deserve no respect from us.
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Yeah I agree,
CDs are too expensive and the commercials and the medias *force* people to like an artist and buy the CDs.

But the Copyright stuff hasnt been changed and is quite simple.
It is stealing. People dont realise it because it works so simple, you just have to search and click to download it on your pc.

Thats cybercrime, actually its the same like getting dope from a dealer or breaking into a store.
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Sorry Paradog, I disagree with you.

Human laws are all but perfect; copyright protection acts are just the proof of this assumption, because the real problem is RIAA "medellin-like" policy and not users behaviour.
It's in the people's rights to stand up against wrong laws: filesharing or (sometimes) software piracy are "natural" ways to do this.

Robin Hood was a "stealer", but it was also a metaphore for the people's desire of social justice.
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>It's in the people's rights to stand up against wrong laws
Well, thats right, I agree.
But the world is now capitalistic and there is something called
property. But talking about war is a bit too much.
I think the distribution of copyrighted materials (in short: warez)
is just sort of a protest.
People cant afford to pay 15bucks for a CD they want to buy.
Its too much... but the RIAA should really consider WHY there
are so many people downloading... and try to find a compromise
instead of sueing the entire world population.

There are people out there who speak of a *Revolution*, a *War*
or a *Rebellion*. But who are those people wanting the revolution?
People who are wealthy enough, have enough to eat, maybe a house
and a family and they still want to get more and pay less.

Plus: I dont think that the real victims of the capitalism can
afford an Internet Connection. So please dont talk about war or revolution!
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But the world is now capitalistic
And it's going worse everyday... but we're not in the right place to debate this

There are people out there who speak of a *Revolution*, a *War* or a *Rebellion*. But who are those people wanting the revolution?

A small mouth needs big words to be cared by other people, and you can find extremism also in the "Garden Dwarf Liberation Front"
It's obvious no-one will do a real revolution for a P.O.D. cd (for god's sake), but it's also obvious that RIAA real problems aren't a bunch of kiddies downloading Britney's or Imbruglia's mp3. Sadly, the music industry has not a good attitude in understanding this.
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Dont be so sure,
I'm loads smarter than you are.
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