can't vote
 

my current favourite servant is not in the list

Might want to add SwapNut to the list, as everyday there are many more users online. Over 300,000 new users this week alone.

wow
 

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my goodness, this is an old post.

kirby
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Zeroshadow,

What client are you using to do the tests? I ask because I know some seem to "seek out there own kind" on the g-net (cough*bearshare*cough). Whether this is intentional or by an accident of protocol may be an open question, but the end result is they cluster together which can easily skew any results. After all, in order download, you must first search, and your more likely to get results from nearby peers. A better test would be for some of the centrally located reflectors to monitor the traffic. Most search results do now include extra client info with them.

This being said, I'd still fully expect BearShare to be in the lead simply because of how much it's promoted. Still, as anyone who's looked at the top 40 recently could tell you, popularity != quality. Anyone remember how long it took to get people to stop using the original Gnutella even though it was completely abandoned and even hurting the network? It takes a great deal of time and effort to change the public mindshare.

Actually I'm suddenly seeing a lot of SwapNut myself. Anyone know where their site is?

ever heared of XoloX ?
 

i had limeshare beartella and gnowire they all worked so and so
then i went to the donkey2000 and loved it and its speed and multiple segmented downloads.
after a while i came across xolox and exept for some randomly crashes (what can be ctrl alt & del shut down and then without problem restarted) it is the fastest and best of all gnutella clients.
it connects in seconds
nothing to do if you work behind zonealarm it configures automaticaly
finds things much faster and the downloadspeed with dsl is awsome.

check it out, you will love it
costa :D

SwapNut is at www.swapnut.com. SwapNut now has a forum here on Gnutellaforums.com as well.

Most comments I have seen say that downloads through SwapNut have been highly successful compared to many other programs.

What percentage of traffic are you seeing coming from SwapNut now? They were the 9th most downloaded file last week on Download.com, ahead of all other Gnutella apps, including BearShare and LimeWire, the two leaders as the poll shows.

SwapNut seems to actually *BE* LimeWire - my guess is they just bought rights to use LW's code. As such I don't see how it could be very much better.

In fact, one thing I really don't like is it asks for your name and email the first time you run it! No privacy policy to speak of either - so beware!

Both do look amazingly alike. Swapnut however connects you to Swapnut users where the other programs connect you to all gnutella applications. Since Swapnut forces its users to share files, I think that is where the previous post about being able to download better comes in. That and the fact that it acts like Kazaa by shrinking to the system tray instead of closing all the way down, keeping peoples PC's connected to the network so others can download more. My 2 cents. You can't turn off uploads either, so your shared folder files are shared whether you want to or not.

Yeah, I was using bearshare. So that probably inflated the bearshare numbers. At the time bearshare was the only one that kept a record of the downloads and clients. Is there any tests results like that out now? Yeah, SwapNut is becoming popular. My numbers are getting out dated now.

Here is some newer numbers, not from system. But still both from bearshare.

http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~mjaworsk/
http://aliexai.sytes.net:6346/webstats/index.html

not from "my" system

reply to zeroshadow
 

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Yes, and also when you made the post, (the original one 3 months ago) LimeWire was a lot less popular than it is now.

That's "<u>Are</u> there any test results like that our now?"

Kirby
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Here are some statistics I acomulated:
I used modified Gnucleus to count unique IP's who responded
to my queries. I did a LOT of queries, so I think I reached almost every IP in my horizon who shared any file.

LimeWire 1540
BearShare 748
Swapnut 614
Gnotella 120
Gnucleus 84
Unrecognized 28
Xolox 26
Mactella 5
Gnut 5
Gtk-gnutella 2

Total 3172

timur 97
 

Did you intentionally leave those search tabs up, or was that for amusement value only

puddytat, now residing at little chortling on the farm lol

xolox

Umm..thats pretty fat dude!!!

Need a job?

I collected some statistical data myself (with LimeWire, though) and I found that, especially when using an ultrapeer-enabled client, you won't get any accurate data. -

(Before Morpheus 1.8.2.0 was released) 75 % of the hosts I saw were LimeWire nodes.

I find th number of CNET/SourceForge downloads a far better indicator for the popularity of a client.

Number of Downloads per week:
Morpheus: 420,973 (52%)
LimeWire (including clones): 169,576 (21%)
BearShare: 139,744 (17%)
Xolox: 34,923 (4%)
QtraxMax: 18,788 (2%)
Gnucleus: 18,220 (2%)
SwapNut: 2,597 (0%)
Swapper: 1,597 (0%)
MyNapster: 1,549 (0%)

They are wrong because you can put out a new version every day and then everyone will download it and thus your numbers will go up even though your new version was only a small bug fix.
So this would be a good indication of programmers that suck and have to keep releasing new versions all the time.
There are other ways to increase the download numbers if you are keeping score to try to "win" the downloads contest.

Maybe, - but none of the clients in this list does so. So those number are not wrong at all. They may not be 100% accurate but they are accurate enough to deduce the popularity of the clients.

where's xolox on the vote?

Take a look at the date of the first post!

Java isn't scary
 

I dont see how java could crash your router/firewall ... unless you are using some software firewall ... like zone alarm ... blackice... norton personal firewall ... all of which are crappy system hogs ... if you want a true firewall/router go to your local pc store and buy one ... less than a hundred bucks will hook you up. Then you can use java ..... if you aint using java ... you're definately missing out.

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4/download.html

follow the link to get the Sun Microsystems java 2 latest release .... best yet. :D

Re: Java isn't scary
 

LMAO

That's the funniest thing I've ever heard.

Java is gay, the only thing it's good for is portability.

Think about this... Limewire is written in Java. This is probably it's main strength, and it's main weakness. The good thing is, it can run on Windows, Mac/MacOSX, or Linux. The bad thing about it is ... well, it's Java. :rolleyes: Even with the ability to run on any platform, and lots of cutting edge features, Limewire, comes in at, what, third now? Behind Bearshare and Morpheus? (I could be wrong about the coming in third, but that's the way I see it.) Java may be good if you're not running Windows, and you can't find any decent native software to run on your machine, but other than that.... bleh.

If I was running a Mac or Linux, though, I'd be using Limewire in a heartbeat.

Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

i had no idea homosexuals were known for their portability... bisexuals i could understand, but... hmm.....

Re: Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

;)

Re: Re: Java isn't scary
 

Java is gay? .... now that's the funniest thing I've ever heard ... Java's portability is what makes it so powerful ... and popular .... are you familar with C#? All it is as a language is (basically) is C, C++ and Java. Its the way Microsoft is going. Uncle Bill has learned a bit from the Mac and Linux crowd.

Hell, Mac OS X is bascially Linux anyway.

Portability
 

Yes, I gave you the portability part, but in being so portable, JAVA programs lose alot of functionality. They're much slower than they would be if they were written in C, or even VB, first of all... Nothing OS specific can really be written into the programs, which brings up alot of compatibility issues... The interfaces are usually pretty crappy... Oh, and the worst thing of all, I can't use my dam scrolly mouse :eek: ;) . I could go on.
I know you don't really think Java is a superior language, do you? Portability, yes. You can run a Java program on just about anything, but useability is where it is really lacking.

Oh, and I don't really see how C# has anything at all to do with Java. They may have pulled a few ideas from Java, but it's a totally different language, and doesn't suffer from the same shortcomings Java does. However, it's definately lacking on the portability side of things. (I think) C# programs only run on Windows, correct?

http://msdn.microsoft.com/vstudio/te...sharpintro.asp

yup but...
 

Everything starts somewhare, why not start with the best selling most popular, one way or the other, OS?

Re: Portability
 

OK ... You're right ... I'm wrong. :)

And I like my scrolie mouse ... which works just fine thanks. ;)

Re: Portability
 

This is not a very specific criticism. With a programming language no matter if it's Assembler, Java or Pascal you can usually do almost everything.

That's a common prejudice, but it's not really based upon facts. First, you usually don't use Java for high performance applications (like video-stream encoding/decoding) where speed is such an importance. Second, the speed difference is usually no more than 30-50% and that is not noticable on to days systems (in C it uses 5% of your CPU resources, in Java 7% the difference is minimal). The one thing that slows down Java most is loading the Java VM on startup which takes a few seconds.

There are many OS specific features you could add (it's no problem to write non-portable Java programs, really), and Java actually has had scroll mouse support for some time.

Well, if that's where you're coming from, I know your reasons for not liking Java.

Please release the source for this, or a client, this is cool and would be great if everyone tried it.

Someone please start a new poll and add the latest clients like morpheus and shareaza etc.