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Old May 18th, 2008
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Aaron, in his self inflating importance, has again failed to give proper information on this subject....probably because he knows nothing about how things really work...

defragmentation will indeed speed up performance and overwrite some areas of your HDD...but not all...even if you defragment and then completely fill up your drive with data, there will still be possible areas where past data is accessible (even by free programs)...temp files, page files, etc....

about the only thing he has gotten right is that it is 'expensive' to truly retrieve data (and even getting that 'straight' answer was hard)....

for the truly worried I suggest totally wiping your HDD....nuke your HDD
I have been violently ill, nauseous, paranoid, the whole 9 yards having downloaded a supposed kp file on accident (meaning i didnt open the file to confirm my fear if it was just a prank file). I first had a filter in with words like child, pedophile, kid, kiddy...but i didnt have pedo in there nor 16yo 17yo, and had 3 files come in under those 3 tags. one was pedo one was 16 and one was 17. I searched my incomplete folder and found them there. My heart started racing and my stomach started hurting and i bagan recitting what i would want to say in court if this **** got deep. it was on accident. now im paranoid. i dont have a floppy drive so the Nuke drive option doesnt seem to be option does it? how can i clean it other than defragging? this is keeping me up at night and driving me insane.

i cant eat, cant sleep, i feel like im going to puke and should just throw my pc away

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all things considered your worst fear should be the reaction of your significant other, if there is one...and that's if they are keeping track of what you are doing...

if the file is still listed as being there in your OS (i.e. you haven't deleted it yet) then some sort of data eraser set to overwrite the file multiple times should be OK for your situation....if you have already deleted it then defragging and then filling up your drive to the max should remove the data from 'easy' retrieval....

if this is a first time, one time, occurrence then forensic analysis of your HDD would prove that....

darin's boot and nuke is also available in .ISO format which can be put on a CD and booted from just like the floppy file...if you are that paranoid and want to follow that route then be aware that you do have a project for yourself...backing up all important data...doing the boot and nuke...then the reinstall of your OS...make sure to have ALL drivers available for use and install your chipset drivers just after you boot into the clean OS the first time then reboot and install other drivers...the chipset drivers are MotherBoard specific and tell it how to operate with the OS...

I would suggest that the first thing you do after getting basic drivers and such installed is to do a full update on the OS, then start installing the programs you wish...then upon completion of all the dirty work defrag the drive and go on with life....
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if this is a first time, one time, occurrence then forensic analysis of your HDD would prove that....
this has happened before i believe which is why i think i deleted the program awhile back because the program LimeWire had these illegal files to begin with. Then having seen Frostwire and had entered in the keywords in the filter, i thought this wouldnt happen again. I'm thinking about never downloading the damn file searching things ever again cause this is bs theres some much crap on these servers. trying to find a good bdsm video sometimes gay (if that says anything about my orientation) instead i get something potentially illegal. its bullcrap. what happened was i entered gay **** (i like those dramas) and then i just hit shift key to get like all the ones above 10 gigs. so i must have had a good 50 or so legal ones and 3 were under the radar and got in the imcomplete folder. this really scared the turds out of me.

i deleted the files, the entire incomplete folder and defragged almost ten times.

seriously, why doesnt limewire or frostwire just set their own filter on their server already - jeebus
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seriously, why doesnt limewire or frostwire just set their own filter on their server already - jeebus
because there are no servers....sounds like you need to do a little research on modern p2p programs....the only 'servers' are each person's shared folder which is on their own machine....
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all things considered your worst fear should be the reaction of your significant other, if there is one...and that's if they are keeping track of what you are doing...

if the file is still listed as being there in your OS (i.e. you haven't deleted it yet) then some sort of data eraser set to overwrite the file multiple times should be OK for your situation....if you have already deleted it then defragging and then filling up your drive to the max should remove the data from 'easy' retrieval....

if this is a first time, one time, occurrence then forensic analysis of your HDD would prove that....

darin's boot and nuke is also available in .ISO format which can be put on a CD and booted from just like the floppy file...if you are that paranoid and want to follow that route then be aware that you do have a project for yourself...backing up all important data...doing the boot and nuke...then the reinstall of your OS...make sure to have ALL drivers available for use and install your chipset drivers just after you boot into the clean OS the first time then reboot and install other drivers...the chipset drivers are MotherBoard specific and tell it how to operate with the OS...

I would suggest that the first thing you do after getting basic drivers and such installed is to do a full update on the OS, then start installing the programs you wish...then upon completion of all the dirty work defrag the drive and go on with life....
so i can doo al this by burning on a cd..hmm lemmie check n see if i have a cd burner and blank
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As I posted this morning ( The post was deleted by mistake, right? ),
There's no point in contacting the authorities now because you have no evidence to
offer them and they cannot do anything. In fact, since you deleted it they just
might decide to seize your computer anyway just to cover their own sorry asses.

P2P is not a good source for tips anyway. The police pretty much have to patrol P2P
directly because then they can save evidence [such as IP addresses plus hash plus
exact time all together] as they find them and can then get warrants right away.
Working from a tip, they would have no choice but to go to the P2P network and
retrace your steps in hopes that they may find the bad file again. Since a tip is just
hearsay, they cannot go directly to a warrant and the chaotic nature of gnutella
means they might not be able to find it even if your tip is detailed and accurate.

As for wiping away traces of that one you almost downloaded, a defrag will be
good enough because your disk is already carrying a lot of data and defragmenting
is likely to wipe all the free sectors which once held the recently deleted file. You
should also be able to wipe free space with that nuker program, if it's anything like
the other good erasers you can get for free. That should be much more than
enough security for you.
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As I posted this morning ( The post was deleted by mistake, right? ),
There's no point in contacting the authorities now because you have no evidence to
offer them and they cannot do anything. In fact, since you deleted it they just
might decide to seize your computer anyway just to cover their own sorry asses.

P2P is not a good source for tips anyway. The police pretty much have to patrol P2P
directly because then they can save evidence [such as IP addresses plus hash plus
exact time all together] as they find them and can then get warrants right away.
Working from a tip, they would have no choice but to go to the P2P network and
retrace your steps in hopes that they may find the bad file again. Since a tip is just
hearsay, they cannot go directly to a warrant and the chaotic nature of gnutella
means they might not be able to find it even if your tip is detailed and accurate.

As for wiping away traces of that one you almost downloaded, a defrag will be
good enough because your disk is already carrying a lot of data and defragmenting
is likely to wipe all the free sectors which once held the recently deleted file. You
should also be able to wipe free space with that nuker program, if it's anything like
the other good erasers you can get for free. That should be much more than
enough security for you.

Well, today I called the national center for missing and exploited children and asked them for advice. All they said was to file a report with them, either anonymously or with my information. I felt a little less than satisfied with their response so I called my local police station and they told me to call back tomorrow when a detective who works specifically in these matters is in. What I told the NCFMAEC and what I'll tell the detective on the phone tomorrow is what I am most afraid of was that if that file was part of some sting operation like in that article, I doubt they'd believe me and would just throw me into a general category.
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hearsay, they cannot go directly to a warrant and the chaotic nature of gnutella
means they might not be able to find it even if your tip is detailed and accurate.
Sorry that I saw this only now: The police can and will come straight to your door.

Why should they try to download from you, when they can just retrace your IP address to you and grab your computer?

Your computer holds far better evidence of your downloads than any of their searches could show.

The only reasons why they shouldn't do this, are because the police people involved might think you a small fish just like their own children, downloading some music off the net and still buying CDs of their favourite artists.

And because they don't have unlimited resources, and have far better ways to spend their time than trying to catch music pirates. For example catching murderers, drug dealers and similar.
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Sorry that I saw this only now: The police can and will come straight to your door.

Why should they try to download from you, when they can just retrace your IP address to you and grab your computer?

Your computer holds far better evidence of your downloads than any of their searches could show.

The only reasons why they shouldn't do this, are because the police people involved might think you a small fish just like their own children, downloading some music off the net and still buying CDs of their favourite artists.

And because they don't have unlimited resources, and have far better ways to spend their time than trying to catch music pirates. For example catching murderers, drug dealers and similar.
The problem with hearsay evidence is that the police have
to follow up and get documented evidence to corroborate
before applying for a warrant. It's a step they cannot skip
because executing a search solely on the word of a third
party is a crime in itself.

If they tried to get a warrant without it, they'd be laughed
out of the building.

Tips are good, but you cannot consider them an order to go
through doors and seize evidence. If that was so, anybody
could get police to storm any home with a single phone call.
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Tips are good, but you cannot consider them an order to go
through doors and seize evidence. If that was so, anybody
could get police to storm any home with a single phone call.
... with a lawyer message containing a screenshot and an eye-wittness.

Using only a screenshot just got rejected by a court in germany, because the eye-wittness had disappeared. Before that, using just screenshots was common practice.
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