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I question the computer repair shops reporting to the police. They are acting as their agents. Therefore Entrapment. A good lawyer will explore that avenue- Rawnee

Greetings rawnee,

Welcome to the Gnutella forums!

I think you need you read up on what constitutes entrapment.

In the US, film processing companies have long been required to turn over to police anything suspected of depicting child porn.

Many people would say that it is one's civic duty to report crime, especially when children are involved. Reporting crime is not acting as an agent of the police.

Rawnee

Although I have never lived or worked in the US I think I can quite honestly say that "entrapment" is not the same as reporting a crime because the computer repair people in the UK do exactly the same thing. In fact, some rich and famous paedophiles have been caught this way, e.g. Garry Glitter.

As Blackhorse said, it is considered all over the civilised world your civic duty to report crime, especially such a vile crime against children.

Finally, here's a quote from wiseGeek:
UK Bob

good lawyer????


skipping that obvious route of disbelief, said lawyer can try all he wants and will fail using that type of defense...

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Sooner or later in the U.S. the supreme court will see that far to often the same people report this to the police. THEY ARE acting as their agents. They have a working relation with them. And will need warrants. In this country our laws are wacko and so are the courts.

Just recently they decided Protesters can upset a soldiers funeral. Hurl insults at the family and the deceased. Free speech !!!! Also they can take your home by eminent domain to put up a shopping mall see what I mean ?

The FBI sets up fake cp sites. They trap quite a few. It works quite well. There are several court decisions awaiting. Obama's court is nonsense. he appointed a judge with no judicial experience and a prejudicial judge.

Let me make something clear I'm all for the FBI. I'm just afraid of cases being lost on a technicality. U.S. law is different from U.K. That's why I say that they are acting as agents for the police.

Rawnee

You said: Well. although they're subtle differences, they are in fact far more similarities than differences.

That said, in the UK, "Entrapment" in itself is not a defence but can be used by a court judge to stop a trial if he believes justice will not be served.

OK, now your view of "Entrapment", under any judicial system is just plain wrong and so is your view of "Police Agents". I suppose you could say that your right to "privacy" has been violated, as a defence, but the right to privacy cannot trump the right to report and uncover crime, any crime.

Rawnee, I guess you are angry at something but it seems to me that your shots are so wide that I cannot see what point you are actually trying to make.

May be if your next posting, without revealing anything personal, can be more focussed then some clarity can be brought into this discussion.


UK Bob

d00d...first you make your entrapment statement on the concept of repair shops....then you spin off on the complete tangent of fake cp sites....totally different subjects, and totally different types of police work...

let's look at the second concept in comparison to prostitution stings..you're driving down the drag and see a hot one on the side of the road...YOU stop and ask what's the going rate...you proceed to get arrested for solicitation...that is quite legal and not considered entrapment because YOU initiated the 'sale'...as a note your first hint should have been the 'hot one'...the same concept will apply to the fake cp sites...if you surf for pron you will most likely come across some of them...seems to me you have 2 simple choices...ignore them (which usually takes the clearing out of your cookies and flash player cookies to get yourself away from the linking process amongst those sites) or report their urls to the appropriate people...when I used to surf pron I would report them..if YOU make the choice to browse in them your IP will probably be tagged and an eye will be kept upon you...if you join one, YOU sunk your own boat...

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Agreed, if you go there, you run the risk, and it serves you right. Sickening.

I do a LOT of data recovery and computer repairs at home, just as a hobby. While I don't go through peoples files when I recover them, I often see porn titles, and that's no problem (I have enough of it myself ). I'm just VERY glad I've never come across any KP, so I've not had to face the reporting issue. The ONLY issue I have, lately, is that a LOT of fake files are out there, that could innocently be downloaded. It's happened to me, until I got wise...and although it WASN'T kp, it still had something about it in the title. I'm sure you've all seen them....it'll be something like this "Frat party in the woods, extreme action.mpg"...and then a sh** load of spaces followed by the usual references to kp. Now, if like me you don't have that divider drawn wayyyyyyy across to the right, you might not see the crap after the spaces, and go ahead and d/l it. Once you do that, guess what...the title is on your HD, unless you do a complete overwrite. Now, my issue comes here....I may find a title like that in the future on someones drive, without being able to recover enough of the actual footage to tell what it is.....do I report it and possibly completely RUIN someones life for an innocent mistake, or do I give the benefit of the doubt, not report it, and then wonder if I've let a p*** go free?

This is part of the reason I don't inspect the content file names (apart from privacy issues)...I'm not interested in finding out what I would do.

Just my 2cents.

Oh, and while we're on the subject .....what about your IP provider? I don't know enough about how p2p works (I have to read up more, can you tell?...I was using the FAKE shareaza until a few days ago!)....I DO know they can detect the handshakes or something between client/peers/hosts, and consequently block or throttle your connection, but what about the content you are downloading? Is there any way for them to tell? If so, why are they not getting in on it and reporting all these kp hosters and downloaders? It wouldn't be hard for them to search, surely?