IceColdMikey

You asked an interesting question, namely:Although my answer will not be technical it will contain policy and privacy issues.

OK IceCold, here we go:

As I understand it, the technology exist for your Internet connection to be traced and monitored and I also believe that there are laws, both in the UK and US, where the authorities can demand from your ISP provider logs of your Internet activities.

The technology also exist to perform "deep packet inspections" of your live Internet connection and also some ISPs will try to hack into your computer just to check on you. I remember that when I was a Virgin customer (a UK ISP) some years back they tried to get into my PC but my firewall blocked them. I emailed their helpdesk about this but did not get a reply.

As you know, P2P connections can be throttled without affecting normal browser-type connections and most ISPs prefer this to other types of technical solutions because those methods carry inherent dangers to law abiding Internet users.

Because the same tracking and snooping technology that can be used to track paedophile-type activity can also be used to read your emails, track your financial transactions and delve into your on-line and private live.

However, whenever an ISP announces that they intend to employ snooping technology there is a customer backlash and various privacy activists start to campaign against its installation.

Although there are data protection and privacy laws government and big business are always looking for ways to circumvent them, even to the point of breaking those laws and hoping that nobody finds out, e.g. BT's "Phorm" experiment that tracked some of their customers usage.

One other thing about P2P, when you are downloading using P2P you are actually downloading from several sources simultaneously and from different points around the world, this type of communication is easier to throttle or block than track.

Finally, and to summarise, where there are Internet servers distributing illegal material the necessary national authorities, under US led guidance, are finding and closing them down. However, illegal distribution via P2P are a little more difficult to deal with because the technology that may be employed may intrude into areas of customer privacy.

I hope I have answered your question even though my knowledge and experience are UK based.



UK Bob

Thanks for the info Bob. I kinda thought it was that way for the 'deep packet' stuff, and it figures that they wont do it because of 'snooping' issues...and that's kinda understandable.

But what about all those out there that share this crap and their IP is easily found by using a client? Why aren't the respective governments shutting these people down? It's not like it would take much to do it! They allow RIAA type organizations to f*** people over, but they can't do anything about KP hosters?!

IceCold

You asked:The answer is reasonably simple, as you know P2P communication is world wide but not all countries throughout the world have the same laws.

In most western countries, if not all, there are laws against creating, owning, storing, selling and or distributing paedophile materials but there are some countries that won't even acknowledge its existence or just don't have the laws to tackle this kind of problem.

I'm guessing here but I believe that these are the countries where criminals will set up their selling and distribution activities from and, unfortunately, the Internet that we all know and love makes this criminal endeavour possible.



UK Bob

Yeah, I see your point Bob, and I understand that not every country has the means of cares enough. But still, I believe that our western countries should take it more seriously.

BTW, I'm a Brit, but been in Canada for the last 11 years....so...howdy

Mike.

Agreed, most of this stuff is hosted in just a couple of countries.

IceCold: The people who are into kp tend to be collectors. If your client is one of them, you won't find just a couple of suspicious titles of deleted videos; they'll probably have many GBs of it on a drive (with TBs more in their stash).

BTW My friend's son, a US citizen, lives in the UK. He tells everyone there he's a Canadian.

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Dear Gnutella forummers,

How are you guys doing? I think I tried to post this in another thread but, for some reason, it didn't show up. Perhaps, though, this thread is more appropriate for it.

I have a specific question about a legal situation. I have a young male friend who is 14-years-old who has been chatting and sexually befriending a 26-year-old male. The older male, protective of himself, didn't give much information about himself except for the fact that his name is "John." On the other hand, his face and body figure became clear when he cammed naked with the 14-year-old, who was also naked on came. The mother found out about their skype sessions (camming and sexual messages) and reported the chatlogs and cam vids to the police (before grounding her son). The police doesn't know the 26-year-olds real name, but they say that since they know his supposed first name and what his face and body figure looks like, they can put him on a federal database.

My questions are as following: By federal database, the police means that one thing they could possibly do is detect him at airports, shall he ever use one. How exactly can they do this if they don't have his real name? Specifically what do they do? Also, what crime has he commit and, if caught (which I hope he is), what punishment(s) might he be facing?

Finally, if there is a national statistic or a state-wide statistic (they also know that he is somewhere in California), what are his chances of being caught?

Hi RGHRGH (How do you pronounce that?)

I will attempt to answer some of your questions, with my ageing technical knowledge, and maybe the other forum members can pick up the questions I cannot answer.

Here we go, you asked in one of your questions:It is highly unlikely that they can detect him via his body type, unless you have something completely different in the US, there is no such thing as a body-type database outside of the medical profession that law enforcement can use.

A person's body type can change with illness, dieting, surgery or any other thing you can think of, in other words body type can change over the course of a person's life.

It is more likely that this person is a known sex offender and they, the authorities, already have a mug shot of him.

You also asked:There is a crime of child grooming, click on the link to find out more.

The last question I can answer is:Very good, because the police can examine the youngster's computer and get the IP address of the offender or get his ISP and then via his ISP get him.

Please note that under your "Patriot Act" all ISPs must keep a log of their user's activities for the authorities to inspect as and when required. So once the police contacts the offenders ISP with the relevant time and date then there is no hiding place.

That perverts days are numbered and he his looking at "years" in prison when he is caught.



UK Bob