aww.. don't tell me you're the same "anonymous"?

I am no developer... but I said that the developers should work together and find a solution for the Gnutella net. But Vinnie walks again alone and is splitting the net with his GREAT new features...

Morgwen

I don't think any of us are happy about the split. And if anyone can give an idea how to apply security across gnutella as a whole I'm sure the developers would be all ears.

You know security within the bearshare net and within the Gnutella net is an illusion, the developers should find the best way for the whole net...

what Vinnie is doing he uses the way he likes most but this is SURE not the best way...

About the split, what will happen next? Limewire and other commercial vendors will start to add similar features, this will kill the net... but Mr. Falco is prepared it seems like he is planning something like this...

He should be fair and leave the net if he thinks that Gnutella isn´t secure enough but he needs the Gnutella net as a leeching pool!

Mrgone there is no exuse for such actions...

Morgwen

I don't think dismissing the potential for security on gnutella is necessarily going help anything. Even if it can't be worked out it's worth a shot. And just from the surface knowledge (read "underlying concepts") I have of encryption and validation techniques I do know there are ways to increase security dramatically in a proprietary system (such as bearshare's secure channels).

I'm doing the best I can to see if these concepts can be applied to something like gnutella without giving so much control to a governing body like the GDF that, given something like a court order, they could shut the network down (as could happen with revokable certificates).

It's a tough problem to tackle and I'm probably not going to be the one to solve it, but I'm not going to dismiss the possibility.

Um, Morg.. in one breath you just complained about the split and in the next you just advocated BearShare leaving Gnutella.. that's what the split is dude.

No my problem is not the split, my problem is that he forces others to act like he want, or do you think the other developers will watch and say Ok we will be fair (especially the commercial ones)... and this will destroy the Gnutella net. So he should create his own net and he can make his own rules... but before he destroyed the Gnutella net!

Morgwen

i live in the uk, do i have to worry about this?

Damnit Vinnie, go get a lawyer and quit trying to do this legal stuff yourself.

Everyone is missing the big problem, we would have to depend on your ability to PROTECT YOUR EULA.

So I want to know, how many $$ did you put in a fund to protect all of us in a law suit against the RIAA enforcing your EULA? If they violate your EULA and you win against them, does that mean the copyright violation charges against one of us are dropped or do we still get fined and you walk away with a million in settlement?

Now if you put in several hundred thousand to protect us all, I would be happy to jump on the BearShare BandWagon and become a BearShare BrownNoser and even donate some $$ to the separate TRUST FUND managed by a neutral party.

What would actually hold up in court is if every BearShare node on the [now] separate BearShare Network had the ability to allow PASS THROUGH file transfer, and no one can tell if it's being used or not, so then you have no idea where the file originated, and can claim in court "that file could have come from anywhere, not just my node".
(for those of you who are about to post "that would slow down the network", don't bother posting and use the search button)

How do you justify that feature? Oppressed countries like China need it bad.

Go pass that by your lawyer after you get one that is, and all you who have (come with) this idea should too.

Why isn't file pass through working in this version of BearShare?

freenet-style transfers through multiple nodes are the future of filesharing [read: free exchange of data]. freenet, however, has a good number of issues that make it quite hard to use, and anyways, it was neither meant as a filesharing network nor is it mainly used as one. nevertheless gnutella could learn a lot of these secure transfers. would they slow down my downloads? certainly they would. but if i got the choice between speed and security, i would go for security.

the perfect P2P Network of the future would use gnutella's decentralized selfstructuring network model, error-tolerant information storage methods like kademlia and untraceable data transfers like those of freenet. ah yes, and public key cryptography because of them spooks that pay my isp to log all my traffic...arghs, i guess it's still a long way to go until we get there, but i have some hope left...

ps: Vinnie, good luck with your proprietary bearshare network, you're gonna need it...