hi there !

i just sat down and watched the search monitor of my client and actually i came (once again) to the impression that half of the searches must be made by perverted or peedos... i guess all of u will know what i mean.

well but what made me think is, that actually, as i am part of the network, i help those people to find their sick stuff... and actally this is one of the downsides of gnutella...

now i came to an idea... maybe it's unrealistic or whatever but right now it seems plausible to me:

what about a filter that simply drops all of these ill searches ???

i don't care if some sick person gets off by watching even sicker women with animals but when it comes to children thats where i draw the line...

now if one could simply analyse all search requests on your pc and simply drop all of them that match a special (maybe editable !!?) keyword-list.
as soon as there were more clients in the network that had a feature like that, searches for these kinds files would be very very effectively made more difficult.

just imagine what would happen if only 20% of all gnutella clients had this feature enabled... this would cause hell lot of problems for those seaches...

and actually i don't think that it is very difficult to implement.
and every single client would help to get this problem under a certain control. i guess this is a feature, that would really differ one client from another not just differences in the GUI. and if the other coders do also implement it in thier clients, then there u have the best filter possible in gnutella...

just some thoughts... hey gnutella coders, is that possible ??? couldn't you implement something like that ??? i think u would really help the comunity with it...

thanks for reading, bye

23user23

some clients do allow you to not view the searches and some have filters to filter your searches.... maybe you should try not viewing these, kinda the out of sight out of mind thing?

even if the developers could find a way to block them, some will still get thru or those distrubting this material will find a way around it. anyway, hope this makes sense

well actually the outa sight outa mind thing might work for some but surely not for me...

sure some will get around it. new keywords might be introduced. but hey, people need to talk about this stuff. if u want to call the keyword mp3 for example abc then u gotta tell people. otherwise it will not work. having to go to "secret" forums before knowing how to get such files would be just the same as not getting them via p2p but via ftp or whatever -> fileexchange over gnutella extreamly reduced...

i don't know if it's possible to implement, im not a coder, but hey this should be nothing more then a simple if-clause in c++: if it matches the keywords drop it. this would take up cpu time, but people probably wouldnt mind to spend some of thier Athlon 1600+ cpu-time for such an important option.

just turn on ur passive search and look for some of the really sick keywords [i guess no need to mention them here]. it's shocking how many hits u'll get in a rather short time. ok most of it would probably be fake but nevertheless a certain percentage is real.

and another thing. i mean many of u'll know what happens when u search for "teen" or other rather "normal porn" keywords. most of us have typed these words into our search windows more than one time. normal porn would automatically get normal names again. you wouldnt have to leave out half of ur hits or to live with the fear that u once stumble accross the reality.
i dont mind porn. half of the internet consists of it. but this is not porn. this just perverted sick stuff that needs to be fought.

And if it's really that easy to fight it, then i think there would be no reason not to do it. just think of it.

just my thoughts

23user23

It's a tough subject. The best thing that can be done is implement "display" filters, filters that prevent bad things to appear on your Gnutella client's screen. You'll see more of those now and to come.

The reason this is better than directly filtering network traffic is because of the following: If someone as a developer filters traffic, it gives this developer "control" according to the law; Control over what can or cannot be transmitted over the network. That is one of the (many) things that popular other P2P got into trouble with certain lobby groups (Napster, Kazaa, et al). Once you have such control, it will be much easier that someone requests a developer to filter such-and-such files, be the kind of files you prefer to share/download or not.

Like the Internet, Gnutella is a free and open place, accessible by anyone, anywhere and at anytime, controlled by nobody. Don't let others tell you what you can or cannot access on Gnutella - it's your decission but ALSO your responsibility.

Get one thing straight though: I don't condone illegal activity AT ALL, which includes the kind of activity you mentioned. I'm just explaining the situation from a developers view.

Of course i understand that u dont condone such activity, i guess otherways there would be no need for a discussion

Well i understand that point. actually i already thought about this dilemma. but do u really think that a network, that is so decentrelized like gnutella could really be forced to introduce something they dont want ??? how could that be possible ?

if it would be like that then a had to agree with u, since ur personal freedom should not be cut even if some people abuse it in the worst way posible.

but if not, an editable filter list would actually leave it again to everyones one responsibility which seach requests to block and wich not. keywords that would only be blocked on a few computers scattered over the network would actually not influence your search results very much (thanks to the way gnutella searches). but as soon as a certain percentage joins this idea, it would work very well agains stuff that is simply unwanted in the network and not to speak of the really useless tons of hits that would be filtered out which would help the network in general alot.