Maybe it should be, but until then the analogy is still invalid.

Cool! Now you get the idea, make something that can actually compete, not something that just block out other users.

How are they sucking your resources? Did Vinnie come over and install BearShare on your system against your will?

Xolox was wonderful for a number of reasons. Multi-source downloads (the definition of the term "swarming" is being used in different ways by different people so I choose not to use it here), automatic re-queries, simplicity, etc., all came about in Xolox way ahead of other clients.

That kind of innovation is what's needed in gnutella today. Yeah, so other people have caught up and are using these ideas now, but there isn't nearly as much progress as what xolox spurred.

And it is that kind of competition and innovation that brings a healthy future to gnutella. Not people whining about spyware and closed source clients. And certainly not by being so immature as to block other clients in a vain attempt to compete via unethical means.

Try making it better instead of just throwing a tantrum.

Flame wars suck. Post facts, not opinions.
 

Listen.

We don't care who likes who or who hates who. We don't care what you think is the best or worst client.

We DO care what you think makes a particular client good or bad.

We DO care WHY you think it is a good or bad idea to split off a project to block commercial clients. But we don't care if all you think is 'it's bad'. And we don't want to see EITHER unresearched bullshit or blatant lies.

<A HREF="http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=358">Bearshare takes up bandwidth sending messages which do not fit the protocol specs, masquerading as Queries and Query Hits. Non-bearshare clients just pass these on.</A> Why? Why not drop any malformed message such as these?

These packets ARE NOT documented. Mr Gone, you either don't know what you are talking about, ***. Sephiroph, same deal. Quite possibly these packets are collecting aggregate information which the Bearshare users have not been properly informed of (I haven't read the license).

But Vinnie's story does not hold water - one minute they're for distributing version information (why?) and the next they're for telling about how many files the user shares ... why aren't they in clear text? Or RLE, if it's really about size? Or at least documented, if they're such an improvement.

Why not block clients which block clients? Bearshare supposedly keeps a port reserved for bearshare clients. I.E. it is blocking non-bearshare clients. Why shouldn't we block it in return?

By changing our connect string, any properly behaving client should NOT allow us to connect. Some posters here seem to think we are getting the best of both worlds, we are not. We are trying to totally separate ourselves from the Gnutella netork, but continue using and developing the protocol so that all users can get the benefit of any code we develop.

If you can point out where our traffic is leaking into the Gnutella network, or vice versa, please do. Otherwise, refrain from claiming that we are affecting Gnutella's network in any way whatsoever.

Please do not troll, please do not feed the trolls. This forum is not professional at all, and gives a bed image to gnutella development (if that is possible after the advent of Vinnie.)

Morgwen, a moderator is not supposed to get knee-deep fighting for one side or another. At the most you should be filtering out swear words and things like that. If you want to fight, you should give up your moderator job.

Nos

Re: Flame wars suck. Post facts, not opinions.
 

And yet you find it impossible to quote what I said that was either uninformed or a lie.

d!ckhead
 

No, I just thought it was pretty self-evident .. and I couldn't be bothered trawling back through this whole long thread of abuse and trolling.

But here is an example:

"How are they sucking your resources? Did Vinnie come over and install BearShare on your system against your will?" - Mr Gone in post immediately previous to mine.

Nos

Re: d!ckhead
 

These questions constitute a lie? Or an uninformed statement?

You make no sense.

> Did Vinnie come over and install BearShare on your system against your will?

I just checked AND HE DID !!

DAMN! No wonder my system was so slow and crashed a lot! Damn, I wish people would learn how to program before they come over and use my computer!

yes, mrgon is not answering questions. everything you tell will be critiziced and questioned, but he can't answer anything... he will come back again and again and give his destructive, arrogant comments to everything.

90% of mrgone's statements are uninformed, boring, useless and provoking.

If you'd taken the time to read the thread you would've seen that I have answered plenty of questions.

Why don't you point out what was missed?