OpenSource P2P Net Discussion Thread

[Sephiroth]

No not at all.

I dont really believe that gnutella is far behind technology. All the other File Sharing programs have some part which is centralized where gnutella isnt. Gnutella is different than other networks and realize that gnutella is a protocol and not just a file sharing network. The potential for gnutella goes way beyond file sharing.

Its a young protocol still it has made some good progress in the past year, the outlook for improvements to the network are looking even better now than a year ago. Theres newer programs and new developers coming to gnutella than ever before most of which are with commerical interests..

The only problem with gnutella is that areas like the GDF are kinda hidden away on yahoo and infomation isnt very well organized and easy to access and find for newer developers.

But things are pretty fair, documentation of proposals are freely avaible, no one is left out at the gdf unless they choose not to go which thats their decision so they cant really complain about the outcome, and programs are working together to improve the network.

Things like clumping together of servents and etc. arent that bad it lets developers add some unique features to there programs without affecting the network too much or because its not supported by the rest of the network. In the end a person can still download off of them and that is what matters.

If you want to stick to the issues and not bring in program poltics then i have no problem with discussing gnutella with you or anyone else..

Originally posted by Moak


Isn't that the definition of what's happenig today with Gnutella, Vinnie and GDF?

Indeed, what you describe comes close to my motivation to stop with Gnutella: it's still far behind technology, selfish commercialization make it even more unattractive. I like this thread, because I see some others care about a fair Gnutella. Just a few ppl yet... but the shine of a little light is better than to swear about darkness.

Moak

http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gtk-frutella/

This reminds me of the free speech movement at berkley.
Up till now you had no choice to be able to support commercial third parties or not, now you do.
It will be up to the users what clients they block. So now you better behave properly in front of the users or lose your "market share". Cluster, spam or spy on people and you are blocked!
How's that for competition?
Moak, you have always had good ideas about the protocol and improvement. Not all ideas can be added or adopted but you do spark good thinking towards new features so keep it up. You have a good point about fasttrack, we should talk more about what features they have that might be easily added to Gnucleus. Tell me what you have found that we can add.

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Also i would like to point out that you are not qualified nor do you have the right to telll me and the hundred of thousands of other gnutella users whats our best interest. Users are not stupid and need to be told what to do especially one person.

Then you agree that users need a choice, good.
OK, so Morgwen hates Sephiroth and Sephiroth hates Morgwen, we get it, we got it. You both have different points of view, good. We get that too.

So now, what about the subject at hand?

A "Socialist-type structured gnutella" may be a bit far since most socialist structures people have seen this century include greed, a "upper class" of people so it falls apart.
I am worried that we have another commercial interest in Morpheus and we haven't yet seen how bad it can get, depending on how bad this new guy is. So let's stop it now before it gets so bad we can't stop it.
The newer Gnucleus version of this is almost done now, I am just testing it a bit more. You will like it. Well, most of you will. It gives you a choice you didn't have before.

Sephiroth wisdom: "The users choose which ones survive and which ones fail thats the "invisible hand" at work.. "
OK, so you do agree with us!

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Things like clumping together of servents and etc. arent that bad it lets developers add some unique features to there programs without affecting the network too much or because its not supported by the rest of the network.

bbp = blatant bearshare propaganda

I can see the corporate geeks trying to tell everyone how they are providing this or that whoopy doo service, like a open source client cant do it, should be interesting

Originally posted by Sephiroth
Things like clumping together of servents and etc. arent that bad it lets developers add some unique features to there programs without affecting the network too much or because its not supported by the rest of the network.

You should frame this.

If the feature was released in source code form everyone could use it and thus no clumping would be required and that would be better for the network and everyone on it.

I'm trying the gtk-frutella client I posted at
http://www.linuks.mine.nu/gtk-frutella

and I'm seeing a lot of dropped packets. Is this a problem for gnucleus users as well?

I'm not getting very good search results, but can download and see searches going by.

I think this is the hostcache's fault

24.234.19.159:6347

because it was working OK for me for the last few days, and I got someone else to try it .. they got the same result.

Is it because the hostcache is overloaded?

Can more people post their IPs in the ip thread please? Preferably 24 hr users ..

I am on a 4-hour modem connection, so won't post mine.

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by Unregistered
If the feature was released in source code form everyone could use it...

Wow, you really do expect to get everything for free in life.

Hope the real world doesn't crush you too bad when (if) you ever get out into it.

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by Unregistered
So now, what about the subject at hand?

My ONLY statement in this thread was that I hate Sephiroth, so I have nothing to add!

Morgwen

P.S.:

I use only eDonkey recently - perhaps I should go there and discuss about improvements... Gnutella is dying in my eyes - thanks to Vinnie!

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by Morgwen
Gnutella is dying in my eyes

Some "gnutella maniac" you turned out to be