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Guest OpenSource P2P Net Discussion... March 20th, 2002, 05:00 PM

Guest Respectfully, I don't understand... March 20th, 2002, 05:26 PM

Guest Please use something more helpful... March 21st, 2002, 08:05 PM

Guest This should take off March 21st, 2002, 08:15 PM

Guest Use me as a static host cache!!... March 21st, 2002, 09:57 PM

Guest I show 45 Gigabytes available now March 21st, 2002, 09:59 PM

Guest Bears on the prowl? March 22nd, 2002, 01:26 AM

Guest Limes too March 22nd, 2002, 01:27 AM

mrgone4662 Re: Bears on the prowl? March 22nd, 2002, 01:39 AM

Guest Sorry, one step at a time, the... March 22nd, 2002, 02:08 AM

mrgone4662 So you came on here... March 22nd, 2002, 02:17 AM

Guest sooner or later someone leaches... March 22nd, 2002, 05:27 AM

Morgwen I think not! But if you really... March 22nd, 2002, 05:34 AM

Guest Could this be why there's lots of... March 22nd, 2002, 05:54 AM

Morgwen Re: Could this be why there's lots... March 22nd, 2002, 06:02 AM

Guest let me get this straight anyone... March 22nd, 2002, 06:20 AM

mrgone4662 If there was ever a client that... March 22nd, 2002, 06:21 AM

mrgone4662 1.) How do you know they all have... March 22nd, 2002, 06:46 AM

Guest Be constructive or *** March 22nd, 2002, 06:54 AM

mrgone4662 I have a constuctive comment. You... March 22nd, 2002, 07:02 AM

Guest make up your mind March 22nd, 2002, 07:10 AM

mrgone4662 Either way it has no place on... March 22nd, 2002, 07:18 AM

Guest heh? March 22nd, 2002, 07:20 AM

Morgwen Re: make up your mind March 22nd, 2002, 07:21 AM

Guest Because I connected to them, same... March 22nd, 2002, 02:48 PM

Guest Another example of greed (from... March 22nd, 2002, 04:13 PM

Guest Please add 'last changed' info to... March 22nd, 2002, 07:11 PM

FuManchu I don't understand the point March 22nd, 2002, 10:05 PM

mrgone4662 If you really have such a problem... March 23rd, 2002, 12:48 AM

Guest being objective --- seems to me... March 23rd, 2002, 04:25 AM

Guest Watch out for the Vinnie factor.... March 24th, 2002, 04:30 PM

Guest Well, 2 days and no answer from... March 24th, 2002, 07:07 PM

Morgwen My idea is to create a new... March 25th, 2002, 04:03 AM

mrgone4662 Sounds like you're feeling a... March 25th, 2002, 04:41 AM

Guest Isn't that the same thing as... March 25th, 2002, 08:20 PM

Sephiroth Gnutella is what it is today by... March 26th, 2002, 02:25 PM

Guest BS is not helping Gnutella, BS... March 26th, 2002, 03:58 PM

Sephiroth Finger pointing and accusations... March 26th, 2002, 05:37 PM

Guest Yea, I remember when a certain... March 27th, 2002, 05:26 AM

Moak Distributung Bearshare propaganda... March 27th, 2002, 07:04 AM

Sephiroth People were saying gnutella... March 27th, 2002, 08:39 AM

Sephiroth Moak believe it or not this has... March 27th, 2002, 08:40 AM

Morgwen Sephiroth! Moak can say his... March 27th, 2002, 09:09 AM

Moak Nice and friendly today? This... March 27th, 2002, 10:01 AM

Sephiroth Its an OPEN PROTOCOL.. What you... March 27th, 2002, 11:20 AM

Morgwen Ah yes? And our point is what?... March 27th, 2002, 12:25 PM

Sephiroth Whatever excuse you have to tell... March 27th, 2002, 01:33 PM

Moak Isn't that the definition of... March 27th, 2002, 03:13 PM

Morgwen Because you said to Moak that he... March 27th, 2002, 03:24 PM

Moak PS: I was one of the unregistered... March 27th, 2002, 03:30 PM

Sephiroth No not at all. I dont really... March 27th, 2002, 05:39 PM

Guest New linux OpenSource P2P client -... March 27th, 2002, 05:52 PM

Guest This reminds me of the free speech... March 27th, 2002, 06:01 PM

Guest bbp = blatant bearshare propaganda March 27th, 2002, 09:08 PM

Guest I can see the corporate geeks... March 27th, 2002, 09:27 PM

Guest You should frame this. If the... March 27th, 2002, 09:33 PM

Guest lots of dropped packets March 28th, 2002, 01:51 AM

mrgone4662 Wow, you really do expect to get... March 28th, 2002, 01:56 AM

Morgwen My ONLY statement in this thread... March 28th, 2002, 02:01 AM

mrgone4662 Some "gnutella maniac" you turned... March 28th, 2002, 02:08 AM

Guest gtk-frutella! you go man! cool! March 28th, 2002, 02:14 AM

Morgwen Yes... I think I am or I was...... March 28th, 2002, 02:55 AM

mrgone4662 Maybe time for a Hawaiian vacation... March 28th, 2002, 03:03 AM

Morgwen Yes, send me the money! :) ... March 28th, 2002, 04:05 AM

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Guest Developers as Viniie care about... March 28th, 2002, 08:17 AM

mrgone4662 So in return you post... March 28th, 2002, 10:47 AM

Guest it is counter propaganda. ... March 28th, 2002, 11:12 AM

mrgone4662 I've made it pretty clear what I... March 28th, 2002, 11:16 AM

Guest Two information: 1. Developers as... March 28th, 2002, 11:44 AM

mrgone4662 That is not information, that is... March 28th, 2002, 11:52 AM

Guest Don't force your opinion to... March 28th, 2002, 12:35 PM

mrgone4662 So far this is all you've tried to... March 28th, 2002, 12:39 PM

Guest Everything users say is not worth... March 28th, 2002, 01:13 PM

mrgone4662 Well you still haven't actually... March 28th, 2002, 01:18 PM

Sephiroth No not really. I think that... March 28th, 2002, 01:42 PM

Guest Sephiroth, we all know what a... March 28th, 2002, 03:09 PM

mrgone4662 For everyone claiming that someone... March 28th, 2002, 03:16 PM

Morgwen Not the best ones survive, the... March 28th, 2002, 03:18 PM

mrgone4662 Keep in mind that "best" is still... March 28th, 2002, 03:33 PM

Morgwen No it is not a bad thing to hire... March 28th, 2002, 03:52 PM

mrgone4662 How they make the money may be... March 28th, 2002, 04:08 PM

Morgwen Of course NOT! You should SELL... March 28th, 2002, 04:22 PM

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mrgone4662 Some people sell their product via... March 28th, 2002, 04:30 PM

mrgone4662 What's the matter? Can't stand up... March 28th, 2002, 04:31 PM

Morgwen Bundling spyware should be... March 28th, 2002, 04:39 PM

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Morgwen You should choose a nick! :) ... March 28th, 2002, 07:44 PM

mrgone4662 Maybe it should be, but until then... March 28th, 2002, 07:48 PM

mrgone4662 Cool! Now you get the idea, make... March 28th, 2002, 08:04 PM

Nosferatu Flame wars suck. Post facts, not... March 28th, 2002, 08:55 PM

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Nosferatu d!ckhead March 28th, 2002, 10:12 PM

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Guest > Did Vinnie come over and install... March 29th, 2002, 12:47 AM

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Guest mrgone tells us we are dump, our... March 29th, 2002, 04:28 AM

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mrgone4662 So put up a reasoned argument in... March 29th, 2002, 04:35 AM

mrgone4662 So quote the questions in this... March 29th, 2002, 04:35 AM

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mrgone4662 Unregistered, you can bitch and... March 29th, 2002, 04:38 AM

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mrgone4662 Funny considering so far none of... March 29th, 2002, 04:43 AM

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mrgone4662 There is plenty of relevant... March 29th, 2002, 04:51 AM

Guest no, many of your statements have... March 29th, 2002, 05:00 AM

mrgone4662 Quote the statements and the proof... March 29th, 2002, 05:06 AM

Guest No. You are not critically, you... March 29th, 2002, 05:07 AM

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Guest you're *****, you have no idea... March 29th, 2002, 05:10 AM

mrgone4662 There is actually a very handy... March 29th, 2002, 05:11 AM

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mrgone4662 You didn't "get" anything.. you... March 29th, 2002, 05:12 AM

Guest describe it with your own words,... March 29th, 2002, 05:13 AM

Guest stop evading. answer and proof... March 29th, 2002, 05:14 AM

mrgone4662 What exactly is "it" that you need... March 29th, 2002, 05:16 AM

mrgone4662 That post wasn't evasion, it was... March 29th, 2002, 05:18 AM

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mrgone4662 Re: Answer this question March 29th, 2002, 05:21 AM

Guest hehe, did you see :) he can't... March 29th, 2002, 05:25 AM

mrgone4662 You have yet to show any proof of... March 29th, 2002, 05:44 AM

mrgone4662 BTW, why are you so frightened to... March 29th, 2002, 05:46 AM

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mrgone4662 Re: Answer this question March 29th, 2002, 06:11 AM

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mrgone4662 Your tap dancing still needs work... March 29th, 2002, 06:16 AM

Guest did you see... this guy was... March 29th, 2002, 06:25 AM

mrgone4662 Prove it. March 29th, 2002, 06:27 AM

mrgone4662 You flame. You make claims that... March 29th, 2002, 06:33 AM

mrgone4662 And you don't know enough to... March 29th, 2002, 06:36 AM

Nosferatu That Mr Gone is **** or uninformed... March 29th, 2002, 06:38 AM

Silvimausi Mr Gone, what a blender! the last... March 29th, 2002, 06:46 AM

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mrgone4662 I freely admit to mixing things... March 29th, 2002, 07:26 AM

Guest mrgone is a blender March 29th, 2002, 07:38 AM

mrgone4662 And just in case you missed it.... March 29th, 2002, 07:39 AM

mrgone4662 And this is constructive? March 29th, 2002, 07:40 AM

Guest You now have a choice! ... March 29th, 2002, 10:23 AM

Iamnacho maybe not constructive, but from... March 29th, 2002, 10:24 AM

Moak Anonnn, great work & thx! Moak :)... March 29th, 2002, 10:28 AM

Sephiroth That is the worst thing ive ever... March 29th, 2002, 01:01 PM

Guest > people are acting without... March 29th, 2002, 01:25 PM

Guest Vinnie started this, now don't... March 29th, 2002, 02:06 PM

mrgone4662 How has Vinnie interfered with... March 29th, 2002, 06:33 PM

Guest go to bearshare.net, Vinnie can... March 29th, 2002, 06:45 PM

mrgone4662 Of course it is, I already... March 29th, 2002, 06:49 PM

Guest your person is the only offending.... March 29th, 2002, 06:58 PM

Guest 'silly partisan', pfft arrogant... March 29th, 2002, 07:00 PM

mrgone4662 Considering what your doing is... March 29th, 2002, 07:06 PM

Guest We are defending ourselfs only. ... March 29th, 2002, 07:16 PM

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Moak Mrgone, you won't see what is... March 29th, 2002, 07:30 PM

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Sephiroth Im wondering that myself.. Moak... March 29th, 2002, 08:55 PM

Guest Make Bearshare a fair client and... March 29th, 2002, 09:19 PM

Moak Seph, your definition of a fair... March 29th, 2002, 09:32 PM

Guest think about this, we are doing... March 29th, 2002, 10:49 PM

Morgwen Baseless accusations??? I will... March 30th, 2002, 03:16 AM

mrgone4662 Moak, would you care to respond to... March 30th, 2002, 03:19 AM

Morgwen I would say, "IF" Gnutella is... March 30th, 2002, 03:31 AM

codyh This thread has grown by almost 4... March 30th, 2002, 04:15 AM

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Moak I allready did some posts above. March 30th, 2002, 07:06 AM

Guest it's only a Mrgone tactic to... March 30th, 2002, 07:16 AM

Guest So I did this thing it said and I... March 30th, 2002, 07:25 AM

Sephiroth No my defination of a fair and... March 30th, 2002, 11:27 AM

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mrgone4662 I never claimed BearShare wasn't... March 30th, 2002, 01:17 PM

Guest > Originally posted by Sephiroth ... March 30th, 2002, 01:26 PM

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Originally posted by Unregistered
Why don't you get it? We have source code that does everything the other "pay for" clients do. Now all you do is add a little feature here or there. It's not that hard and if each developer puts in a little time it will be great.
No $$ needed.
Money makes development faster, but open source always catches up.

Cool! Now you get the idea, make something that can actually compete, not something that just block out other users.

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered

The difference on Gnutella is the "pay for" clients not only suck the computer resources from their users, they suck it off other users who don't CHOSE to be sucked!

AND THAT SUCKS!

How are they sucking your resources? Did Vinnie come over and install BearShare on your system against your will?

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered

On another subject, what made XoloX so wonderful? Isn't "swarming" now working the same?

Xolox was wonderful for a number of reasons. Multi-source downloads (the definition of the term "swarming" is being used in different ways by different people so I choose not to use it here), automatic re-queries, simplicity, etc., all came about in Xolox way ahead of other clients.

That kind of innovation is what's needed in gnutella today. Yeah, so other people have caught up and are using these ideas now, but there isn't nearly as much progress as what xolox spurred.

And it is that kind of competition and innovation that brings a healthy future to gnutella. Not people whining about spyware and closed source clients. And certainly not by being so immature as to block other clients in a vain attempt to compete via unethical means.

Try making it better instead of just throwing a tantrum.

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