OpenSource P2P Net Discussion Thread

[mrgone4662]

Originally posted by mrgone4662


You complain that BS is headed in this direction and yet you support Openp2p doing it.

How do you resolve your hypocrisy?

Moak, would you care to respond to this?

[Morgwen]

Originally posted by mrgone4662


Moak, would you care to respond to this?

I would say, "IF" Gnutella is "free" for bearshare to do what they want others can do the same!

So why not open a third net or a fourth etc. exatly THIS destroys Gnutella - thank you Limewire and THANK YOU Vinnie (bearshare)!

I am against this but I think this is better than doing NOTHING...

Morgwen

[codyh]

This thread has grown by almost 4 pages (at 20 posts/page) since roughly this time yesterday. At the same time though, it hasn't gone anywhere...
Just a little something to munch on :P

In fact it never really got started. Nothing has been said yet that couldn't easily have fit onto one or two pages. I'm just about at the point of just ignoring this thread.

Originally posted by Morgwen
Stop your insults and flames or I will close this thread!

Please don't, thats what he wants. Just edit and moderate as you see fit. Mrgone is hoping this will happen too, like this will all go away if this thread is trolled to death. Sorry, won't stop us.

[Moak]

Moak, would you care to respond to this?

I allready did some posts above.

it's only a Mrgone tactic to divert, he is the one who doesn't answer questions. Mrgone, proof Vinnie is NOT clustering/blocking and NOT destroying, plundering free Gnutella. Proof it's not fair to defend Gnutella against Vinnie. Morgwen, don't let trolls rule this thread, edit them out, don't close.

So I did this thing it said and I think I conected to new network P2P and I have block on/all it works good!

It is little hard to tell if its blocking but I get nothing back in files from the blocked 1s so it works as I can tell. Not much differance in quality of files frm normal, this is good for me.


moving around thee net is nice idea tnx for that, will try and let you know if I find that file no one has

[Sephiroth]

No my defination of a fair and open gnuella is more like a "market system." I think ive been pretty clear only mentioning it in just about every post in this thread..

Programs are not ment to be equal. Get that in your head. There will always be good and bad programs. Why should the bad programs be allowed to survive? If they cant attrach users to use it then why is it other programs responisbility to bail them out and throw "free code" at the problem and how it sloves itself?

As for your comments on bearshare. I think bearshare has the right and freedom to do what you described. Really your not paying the bills to keep the host cache online nor do you have any right to tell anyone how to run their program.

You are not a gnutella developer your not even a programmer, and even so its not your problem. I think if it really was a problem im sure that the other developers would have spoken up by now.. right? Because i dont think that they need you looking out for their interest thats really their own responisbility..

And no you didnt comment on why its ok for a program like openp2pnet to block gnutella programs and how that make gnutella fair and open..

Originally posted by Moak
Seph, your definition of a fair and open gnutella means Bearshare is the only glory and can plunder Gnutella aggresive without reaction? We are only defending ourselfs, that's what fairness contains. I'm sorry too, but please complain at Vinnie's table. If Bearshare wants to be treated as a fair Gnutella client again, okay, then follow the rules and treat other clients equal again. Gnutella is not a two class community where Bearshare is the master and all others are minors.

As for me telling about "baseless accusations", "exgerations" and "speculations", I feel those are terms much better suited to the closed and proprietary world of Bearshare. Here again what are facts: Bearshare comes with proprietary Gnutella packages, proprietary v0.6 headers, clustering BS clients, prefering BS clients, changing host caches without notice, blocking v0.4 clients without technical reasons, e.g. Xolox. Ask the GDF if something is not understood or not true in your eyes, they will confirm it. Well, perhaps I forgot some of the newest Bearshare Gnutella plundering additions.

Moak

Nothing is regulated, what is not fairly regulated

[Sephiroth]

Was i talking to you? No.. I recall you saying that your going to ignore me and here you are posting comments towards me..

And quit sticking your nose in other people busniess considering that your not moak and your answering for him.

I didnt see you threatening to close this thread when myself and mrgone were being insulted by numerous people. And neather of us has insulted anyone. The only
threat here is that people dont like others opinions.. That is not the ground for closing this thread and would be censoring if it was..

I think the best thing would be to let cyclocide handle this thread if you think theres a problem.

Originally posted by Morgwen


Baseless accusations???

I will search for the links which I posted on bearshare.net... all VIPs (including you) said it is a lie until Vinnie confirmed it (in his words)!

There are also many posts from the GDF - the most people here have no yahoo account so I will search them in a free database...

but Sephiroth than I will "SEE" some arguements from you not just this are accusations etc.

Morgwen

P.S.:

@ mrgone and unregistered

Stop your insults and flames or I will close this thread!

Nice try to badmouth Morgwen and Moak, but it's not convincing. About Morgwen, Cyclocide made him a supermoderator because he thinks he does a very good work! Morgwen is fair and very good informed, has good contacts to various Gnutella develelopers and programmers.
This well known Bearshare VIP (which Sephiroth is) doesn't understand even if you tell him twice, as Mrgone he doesn't want to understand. Sephiroth is known for unfair and unfriendly propaganda (see his old posts), he knows Vinnie only. Don't let Vinnie's VIP destroy this thread.