I did! Why do you think I have so much time to sit here and do all this?

Why should they have to switch in the first place? All Gnutella clients, regardless of which company developed it, needs to have complete and total access. I didn't want to bring up the KaZaA/Morpheus dispute, but there are certain similarities with these two debates.

You think it's bad to do what to users; serve them advertising or block their clients?

Oh, now this is interesting. Please don't tell me that the existence of the OpenSource p2p Net is the direct result of politics at play. Because Gnutella and politics should not mix. It's neither any of my business or interest to know what political agenda you subscribe to, but I don't think that it needs to play a role in the future of Gnutella. Gnutella is above all that; Gnutella is a statement of freedom. Let's keep it that way.

We need choice. Whether it be commercial or free, it's my view that the more clients we have, the better.

If more people would be using/supporting free clients, why are LimeWire and BearShare so popular? Correct me if I'm wrong, but LimeWire and BearShare, to my the best of my knowledge, have not been advertised extensively. LimeWire is a multi-platform client, which has led to it's popularity. BearShare locates more nodes faster, which has led to it's popularity. It's the program features, not just the marketing, that has led to each respective program success.

I also found it interesting that you mentioned free clients are being disadvantaged. As they are free, they are not in direct competition with anyone. They exist primarily to enrich file-sharing, and offer choice.

I disagree. The term OpenSource carries huge weight with it. It also carries responsibility.

You have termed the Network, not just the Client, as OpenSource. The Network is NOT Open. It is a private, members-only, exclusive network. Thus, this is a misuse of the term.

Yes, GPL is about the licensing of the program. But I didn't mention the term GPL. I'm talking about OpenSource. OpenSource reflects an image of freedom and equality. It's more than a license agreement, it's a manner in which we choose to conduct ourselves.

That doesn't mean you can use an OpenSource kiddy-hack script to shut down a store or businesses e-commerce server if you don't like what that business does. The argument you have just used entitles you to use your OpenSource word processor to create some Anti-Profit websites.

I don't buy it. It's called the OpenSource P2P Network. It's misleading.

Gnucleus offers a LAN edition. Check it out at http://www.gnucleus.net/general/download.html.

On GDF (commercial Gnutella Developer Forum) Vinnie wrote:

You should read this post...

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/6631

I think it explains a lot!

Morgwen

P.S.:

Somebody should explain Vinnie that Xolox is no part of this open source net...

You're right Morgwen,I just needed pointing in the right direction.
I will be the first to admit that I'm technologically challenged,even now,when I open my CD tray,I automacially put my mug of coffee on it,thinking it's a new fangled dining room table.

Join the new network!
"OPENP2PNONPROFITONLYXOLOXROOLEZD0OD"
Thanks to Vinnie! He really hates XoloX doesn't he? Shows how slow the_gdf is, they just figured out this was going on?

> Originally posted by plasticparadox
> Why should they have to switch in the first place?
To be on OpenSource P2P Net, they need to use a open source free to use client.
On the regular Gnutella Net, they should choose a client that doesn't spy/spam/popup ad you to death because public opinion of that attitude will cause that client to get blocked off the network.

More and more people are downloading and using this client, so those who develop spyware enabled clients should think twice about being so greedy, in my opinion.
And now they have a reason to respect the "outsiders" a little bit more.
Look at what Kaza and Morpheus are doing now, people are worried about the spyware that is in there, and the corporations now want to use your CPU cycles and network resources to distribute their SPAM at no cost to them.

Stop this now before it happens on Gnutella!

This is the only way I see to stop this before it gets too far.
plasticparadox, if you have a better idea please let me know, and send some source code for it if you can.

> You think it's bad to do what to users; serve them advertising or block their clients?
Blocking them is a subtle way to do this. It doesn't completely cut them off (on Gnutella Net) but gets them to make a better choice of client vendor.

> Because Gnutella and politics should not mix.
Tell that to everyone on the_gdf. This is reality.

> You have termed the Network, not just the Client, as OpenSource.
It's just a name, I could have called it FREENET, or FREENOPOLITICS, or FREDS, or NONPROFIT. Feel free to make up your own name and network, it's fun! People do it at colleges everywhere with only 300 or so nodes and it works quite well.
The network is also defined on the home page, so it's not misleading anyone.

> But I didn't mention the term GPL.
Then don't quote the GPL license text in your post and claim it somehow regulates the OpenSource Network. Again, it only applies to the software's author.

> That doesn't mean you can use an OpenSource kiddy-hack script to shut down a store or businesses e-commerce server if you don't like what that business does.
Script "kiddies" do it all the time, and they don't care much about the GPL license.

> The argument you have just used entitles you to use your OpenSource word processor to create some Anti-Profit websites.
People can do that too if they want to. Now you aren't making sense.

I think we mostly agree on the Gnutella Net side of things.
I respectfully agree to disagree with you on the naming of this new network, it's just a name and I happen to like it.

Everyone knows my views on this, and they now know yours, anything we can move forward on constructively?

BTW: The host cache references on the home page are clearly labeled "OpenSource P2P Net" and "Gnutella Net", I don't know why people are confused about this, it's just a reference.

Where will corporate greed take you today?

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../04052002g.php
Morpheus: Secret detour tech Removed
posted by wiggum on April 04, 2002 @ 02:51pm
Streamcast Networks came under fire last month for including software in Morpheus Preview Addition that redirected users from shopping
sites such as Amazon to its own shopping service. This has been removed and StreamCast Networks say in future versions Morpheus
users' Web browsing will not be affected unless they sign up for the shopping program . Glad to see that this popular file sharing program is
removing unwanted bundled software. Read the full story here.
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1106-875960.html

"Cashing in on customers
In an effort to exploit their massive customer bases, the online peer-to-peer networks are
eyeing several schemes to make money, particularly by serving ads to consumers. "

What will they do next to cash in on your CPU cycles and network resources.
Remember, people in the UK and other places pay per minute for network access.

Actually ,no we don't,not any more...at least in the UK.For people not familiar with the UK ISP situation check out this site for Dial-Ups
http://www.ispreview.co.uk/list.shtml

Or this site for Cable/ADSL
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/category...=communication

The UK has long been a leading player for unmetered dialup,and now broadband....why someone(apparently from the UK) pretends otherwise is beyond me

I've pretty well said my piece; and I can tell when a forum is becoming slightly aggressive. And it's not neither my intention nor interest to see it do so. So I'm leaving it here.

Unfortunately, I won't be joining your network. I do thank you for your faithfulness in replying to my posts. Even though my views do not coincide with yours, you've impressed me with your knowledge of the issues.

In the interest of being constructive, I certainly hope that you will consider the views I have put forth; I want Gnutella to work just as much as you do.

-pp

OK, you've left already, but just to clear up your confusion, it's called OpenSource P2P Net, not OpenNet.

We didn't say the network was open, we said the clients were open source.

OpenBSD is open source, more so than GPL, but it is ALL about restricting what resources you PC provides, restricting access etc.

The tradition of open source is if anything to put the choice in the users hands, and to let users modify source as they like. That is pretty much what we are doing.

Nos