Look, repeating "bearshare sux, it needs to go" over and over like a p2p mantra won't convince me. I am asking what BearShare does that hurts you, as a user of another client. I am asking for a good reason to want BearShare out of gnutella completely. Please, quite treating me like a bearshare brownoser ( I do NOT use it) and let me know why it is so bad for the network as a whole.

Morpheus brought in users? yes, that is true. This is not because it was a superior gnutella client however, it was simply because their user base was huge, and moved over with them from FastTrack. And I am worried about them leaving, many of them are disappointed that the 'new morpheus' isn't like the old one, and are leaving. They followed it, but only until they realized it wasn't FT, when many drifted over to Kazaa/Grokster or whatever.

No, files are not all that count. Oh wait, they are. Without them, any network is useless isn't it? Bearshare leaving would not mean there would be no files (I'm trying to preempt anyone who would want to take what I say and turn it into a ridiculous absolute) but it would mean less. I too want an improved protocol. BS may lag behind on features, but not as bad as some other clients. How come no one is calling for Phex to leave?

No one forces you to use Bearshare, least of all me. I dislike it. But I still do not see how it hurts people who don't use it.

Make up your mind :P
Very effective use of hyperbole.. try http://download.com.com/3000-2166-10111457.html from where it's been downloaded 15 million times.

Anyway, to wrap this up, spend your considerable energy trying to get people to switch from BS to another client for their own good instead of agitating for BearShare to take it's users and go. Or use a portion of your considerable intellect to tell me how BearShare harms you, as someone who does not use it. Thank you.

Me and many others have written down the problem with Bearshare more than one time, i don't give you the link here, i'll repeat it for you:

bearshare does:
- Blocking 0.4 clients without a technical reason (only a personal one against discontinued old xolox which was really GREAT in the past)

- include Spyware.. OK it CAN be turned of at one point in the installation. But there are many users who DON'T know what spyware is or that it stays on their system even if Bearshare is uninstalled.

- rule the GDF in a destructive way... ok there were some productive proposals, but it seems that Freepeers tries to force the own marketing concept to the whole network, like "eat that or die" (die means get blocked, see above)

- BS tries to tell the user that it's a BearShare Network, and not a Gnutella network.
The user never gets any information why e.g. the % Free peers in the horizon is that high... (clustering). it looks as if Gnutella = Bearshare plus 2-3% other clients, and that's far away from the truth!

- it sends proprietary Data / encrypted packets... ok vinnie told in one thread that this would be "optional", but turned on by default......

-BS clusters own clients.. that wouldn't be THAT bad, but in adittion to the other "features" it is a very poisonous mix for the network, it means that BS as separated from the net as Vinnie wants, that's called the BS black hole.

I hope you understand now... please read also threads like Gnutella has a problem or OpenSource P2P Debate, it's about choice

i hope that helped you understanding that we only try to help the network, I, and much other people believe that BS leaving would be healthier for the network than Gnutella with BS.

It is not so much a matter of "BearShare leaving" as it is a matter of BearShare (AND LimeWire) users departing their beloved clients if or because they have had enough of the nonsense.

And there is a lot of nonsense going on now with both of them.

The hits and downloads reflect far more the habits of those just entering the p2p world and also the 'placement' of the various clients in search engine results.
When is the last time any of you did a most simple Yahoo search for:
.mp3 - file sharing - p2p - whatever?

Normal people do NOT search for Gnutella clients -
They search for something simple in the beginning and they end with the 'big boys' clients.
The number of downloads do NOT reflect the quality of the client.
They only reflect the 'quality' of the user and the strength of the client.
As is almost always true, "There are lies, there are damned lies and then there are statistics!"

Unfortunately today, with the changes in the perception of marketing values within the internet there are people who need to find other less user-amenable forms of financial support.
This means that people who are unskilled in the arts of business operations are becoming a little desperate and doing

to their loyal 'customers'.

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You forgot to add that history has shown that Vinnie will do anything to win, just like Billy Gates, and I mean ANYTHING!
So the download numbers could be inflated (example, it's not that hard to write a script that downloads it 2000 times a day via a cable modem) because to him - thats the scoreboard in his little game.
Plus, he releases a new version every week or more, with one or two little fixes because he never seems to get it right the first time, and doesn't want to wait for testers to complete testing.

Thus his download "scoreboard" shows he's winning!

He soon found out that his scoreboard "points" went up right after a new release, and you can bet he started making even little changes a new version.
All those users downloading new versions over and over adds up quick. Nice trick huh?

We used to have about 30,000 nodes online at any one time before morpheus. I would say 8,000 were BS and lime had about the same. The rest were spread over all the other clients, so in reality BS and lime have been about even, in my opinion. And now that morpheus is here, the Gnucleus population has gone way up since they are looking for Morpheus but better. But BS stays at that 8,000 or so mark, so it's actually LOSING!

Hey Vinnie, your scoreboard isn't working! All your silly little tricks have come back to haunt you. You are losing big time, better go get on your own private BS network and save yourself.

My statistics (created with qtella) show that of the non-morpheus clients 80% are using limewire or bearshare. - Also just before Morpheus joined gnutella, gnutella had about 100,000 simultaneous. LimeWire admitted that there graph can't show the real numbers due to technical limitations of their crawler.

He would probably go for his own network. That, however, takes effort. It's a lot easier to try and co-opt an already existing network with an open-source codebase.

Lets be thankful he lacks the skill to truly make a stand for himself.

WTF is wrong with you people (or is it person) to start a flame thread against Vinnie based on lies. If you want the true story read the actual thread that the quote was ripped out of context from. If you're too lazy to do that before you flame then at least read the part that this Unregistered lame *** edited out:

"Gnucleus code base is quickly headed where [Bearshare] 2.6.x is, and that is a bulky outdated code base that badly needs a rewrite."

This was in response to another flame thread on Bearshare's own forum, and I think he handled it quite well.

You should be thankful for Bearshare for bringing new people to Gnutella, and helping it grow to what it is today. If it weren't for Bearshare and Limewire drawing in users and supporting the network, Gnutella would probably be dead today. And don't tell me Morpheus did it all. They merely capitalized on the fact that there was already an open network with plenty of users, the vast majority of which were from Bearshare and Limewire.

You remind me of the lame asses that used to spam the Morpheus forums with WinMX crap because they wanted everyone to use what THEY liked better. Why don't you let people decide for themselves what they like better. This childish flaming and spamming only serves to make Gnucleus look worse.

I'm not saying that Bearshare is the only choice out there, but IMO, 3.0.0 is right on par with Gnucleus feature-wise, and Bearshare has a better interface. Of course this is my opinion, and I'm not going to flame other clients to try to make them look bad like a 10 year old little boy. How old are you, by the way?

Then read further on Vinnie's comments and see the whole context again. Do not quote only what let Vinnie look like an angel:

Quote Vinnie:
"Gnucleus code base is quickly headed where [Bearshare] 2.6.x is, and that is a bulky outdated code base that badly needs a rewrite."

Quote Vinnie continues:
"I rather doubt Gnucleus will see the rewrite that it needs [here he suspects Gnucleus is bulky outdated code base] because it has no commercial support. So we will see Gnucleus code base get more and more tangled up, harder to work on, and bug-ridden."

That's true badmouthing or call it character assassination.

PS: No reason to flame, does the truth about Vinnie hurt?

No more than the truth about Gnucleus hurts.

In that particular thread, Vinnie was giving an assessment of another client as he saw it, as a developer. Big deal. It was a troll at work on bearshare.net and he responded in professional way. Having seen Vinnie in action (been around a while), I'd say he was calm and honest (as he saw it). Actually, for the good of the network, you ppl should only hope that the developers could speak and deal with each other with such civility. We are all connected to each other (at least at the moment), so best to remain at least civil. Swabby might even get a good idea or two!
If all the developers agreed on everything, then we would all be running queries, swarming and sharing with each other on a huge, happy-go-lucky network. Sad that is not the case. Each has their own agenda and idea's and that is the way it is.
Sadly.

Anyway, promote your favorite client without the flames. Give a good reason why I should run something else. At the moment, I am using Gnucleus, but waiting for Bearshare 3.00 to be released. Will I be swayed to be "Gnucleus" loyal? Not on your life. At the moment it works for me. If something "better" come's along....I'm off that bandwagon in a second. (but still sharing my 56 GBs of files,btw...)

If, as you say, you have been around a while, perhaps you could use your long experience in attempting to post as registered. Many of us have been 'around for a while'. The real ones post as registered.
Sorry if this seems offensive to you, but you are in no position to complain as unregistered.