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Vinnie (Bearshare) is badmouthing Gnucleus Quote from Vinnie: Gnucleus code base [...] is a bulky outdated code base that badly needs a rewrite. I rather doubt Gnucleus will see the rewrite that it needs because it has no commercial support. So we will see Gnucleus code base get more and more tangled up, harder to work on, and bug-ridden. 05-12-2002 http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...threadid=12305 |
I wonder how much Vinnie learned from the "buggy" Gnucleus code! :rolleyes: Morgwen |
Re: More to learn Manners and Vinnie... is like... water and fire! Morgwen |
Well, Vinnie certainly has a point there, I mean, did you actually ever look at Gnucleus source code? It's not very structured or readable and this kind of code is very vulnerable to any bugs. - However I haven't seen BearShares sources so it's hard to tell if Vinnie has any right to point fingers at Gnucleus. |
The Gnuclues code base is in great shape, it is very clean and I am always getting nice little patches and fixes in the mail from developers who are also interested in the project. The number of directions the project can go from here is almost limitless to me, so many things that can be done. |
The funny thing is we can't see Vinnie's pile of crap, thrown together to make a buck source code, so all I can say is SHOW ME YOUR CODE VINNIE ! Like his is any better, and he probably stole most of it from open source clients anyway. Gnucleus uses C++, so it's a mess anyway. Why people thought this was a good thing is beyond me. |
c++ is a great language to code in, everything is spread out into their own files, declarations and fuction bodies are seperated into their own files, unlike java and c#. And being object-oriented everything in gnucleus is a component, like a download or upload object. The gnucleus code was not written compact and complicated, it is very open, easy to read. Many programmers have come to the project with no prior experience with us and have plugged in some pretty advanced features. If you go to www.gnucleus.net you can see in the stucture section that the framework of the program is well laid out. The program was designed from the beginning with other open-source developers in mind. |
Baloney The above comments on outdated code where originaly posted by Vinnie in the Bearshare forum as a reply to negative comments directed to him about his software |
As Usual As usual, Morgwen has decided to use Gnutella as a platform to launch his own agenda (getting attention mainly). More intelligent forum users who are interested in forming their own opinion can read my analysis of Gnucleus code base, which is meant more as an information source rather than a condemnation or criticism. These comments from me came about as a reaction to remarks regarding comparisons of BearShare versus Gnucleus, so I felt it was appropriate to reply. The comments: http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...7551#post97551 |
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The sad part is the misleading posts by Morgwen's do not end there, just today he has stated the below lies about BearShare? He has stated that BearShare has closed their host cache to other gnutella clients. He has stated they block Xolox. The facts are BearShare has given gnutelliums and MusicCity a host cache to run for Morpheus and other Gnutella clients. CycloCide knows this. BearShare has never blocked Xolox only .4 connections which included any BearShare 2.3.0 or below and this was done at the Host Cache level. BearShare the client never blocked Xolox. A serious question is what has Morgwen contributed to the development of Gnutella? I have never seen a post from him in the_gdf, I have never seen a proposal, nothing constructive. I have only seen this kid post misleading comments and lies regarding BearShare and LimeWire. What I have to ask, if he is suppose to be a bias helper to the Gnutelliums forum, why is he posting such negative comments about good community based clients? I strongly suggest that he be removed as one of the moderators here. |
Morgwen Bias? Quote Morgwen: "I have no problem with the software itself, my problems are the third party stuff and Vinnie, but my problem with him is personal!" http://zeropaid.com/bbs/showthread.php?threadid=246 |
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I wonder who has no problems with Vinnie's behaviour, not a suprise. see first post again, Vinnie said that and I call it badmouthing. it doesnt matter what "I only did a comparision" excuses he gives now. |
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Yes of course you disagree... but some "lies" about Limewire were the truth they helped the developers of Limewire a lot! I wonder why Adam Fisk is answering my PMs if I am such an a*****??? The same about bearsahre, post some of my LIES please, so the user can decide who is the liar here! Quote:
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Vinnie, your code sux. We know it does because you never let anyone look at it. Closed source is so easy because you don't have to worry about anyone looking it over, so be as sloppy as you like, as long as the "front" looks good and the user nevers sees the crap. Then you sit there thinking all day long on how you can disadvantage other clients and gain more market share. The BearShare BlackHole is a good example of how you sneek in code that screwes up other clients. You knew this would happen, but you went ahead and did it anyway. You won't take out the spy packets even though you don't need them for the purpose you told everyone they are for (update check for new versions), so now we all know they do more than just that. You have been talking about how 3.0 is going to be so great, but now Gnucleus is way better than your planned 3.0 and this upsets you. GOOD ! You need to leave Gnutella. Make 3.0 your version that creates this BearShare Network you have always talked about and leave us alone. |
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hah, bearshare, that program worked for about a week, until the first rewrite, so I dunno what they're talking about. Seriously, this isn't even a programmer's perspective, but gnucleus has always been the best working and simplest to use. Only problem now is that darned "more hosts needed" thing. If I didn't know better I'd think somebody did this on purpose, but it's probably just paranoia ;) |
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The "chief bear" has regularly flamed critics for well over a year now. Morgwen is hardly the first to be alienated by this misbehavior, there have many others. The troubling thing is that somebody as pro-Bearshare as Morgwen was turned against it. FreePeers has become a threat to the Gnutella community and needs to be stopped in its tracks, in my opinion at least. |
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Vinnies code SUX!!! Lets see the code!! post it now! don't try to fix it up, it's a big mess and you know it! That's why he hides it! And we all know he steals code from open source projects, another good reason to keep it to himself, otherwise he couldn't charge for his "pro" version! It SUX!!! |
Flame warriors suck. period. That aside, what Moak said made me curious. I fail to see why bearshare leaving and creating its own network would help gnutella. Bearshare may contribute to fracturing of gnutella, compartmentalization etc. But them leaving and taking their large user base and their files with them and going to a new network would really be compartmentalization, far more so than things are now. Why would this help? I don't know everything, these are honest questions (not rhetorical) and I'm hoping for an answer. I mean, does bearshare download from other clients while refusing to upload them? That would suck, but I can't see how anything short of that would hurt the gnutella network. And yes, spyware sucks, we all know this. This is why I myself would never use bearshare, but if others choose to have it on their computer, so what? why does that affect you so personally? |
Don't be a BearShare brown noser ! Join the millions of happy Gnucleus users who have switched to a better client ! Why should BearShare leave? If you had a leech sucking blood from you, you would get rid of it, even though it might hurt a bit taking it out. Vinnies code sux! |
Vinnie (Bearshare) is badmouthing Gnucleus vinnie if i had a pos like bare share i would not talk. i am on a dial up and tried bd i got dl of about 2.0 to 4.0 kbs , o u as it it the dial up whell a high spead game internet cafie opend the lets u playgames localy or file sharing using beasshairon a t-1 line 1.5mbs i spend about 1and a galf hours looking for mus i get about 75 meg dl i though i would get a lt more the that .the average dl rate was about 500kbs i also saw 300 alot and 100 .verry disopented. the filal conclusion dont use bs use gunclues or mx i will neve use touch bs again autoshot |
Bearshare's Source Code Hello and welcome, here it is, the one and only BearShare source code which I got from *VERY* secret sources, that means shhht don't tell it anybody or gnutella will become better than other p2p networks ;) 10 REM BearShare code - not for the public 20 REM by VinnieSoft...ummm ok i call it FreePeers 30 REM 40 REM ok let's do some codings... 50 CLS 60 PRINT "BearShare 3.00" 70 REM this is the only line that has to be changed!!!!!! 80 REM Now let's see if there is some gnucleus on the PC 90 found% = SEARCH("gnucleus.exe") 100 REM If we found it, we can use it, otherwise we have to use the old version built into Bearshare 110 IF found%=TRUE THEN SHELL "gnucleus.exe" 120 REM Let's phone home 130 OPEN "Winsock" FOR phoning home AS #1 140 PRINT #1, User's Credit Card Number& 150 REM Check if the user wants to uninstall Bearshare and prevent this 160 IF UnInstall=True THEN SHELL "rundll.exe windowscrash" 170 REM And we also need to check if our SaveNow is installed 180 IF Exists%("SaveNow.exe")=FALSE Then SHELL "rundll.exe windowscrash" 190 REM Ok i'll now have a break for some months, maybe i'll fly to Hawaii or to Australia where the weather is fine 200 END I hope you guys don't take this serious, it was a joke, i hope BS code doesn't look like this........ |
lol @ phantomix that's good unregistered: I understand that you don't like BearShare (I don't use/like it either) but you told me nothing that convinced me that it is bad for the network as a whole. I remain unconvinced that it is bad even for people who don't use it. VinniesCodeSux: yeah thanks. The leech analogy is really enlightening :rolleyes: Yeah, I don't like BearShare, but what does it do to gnutella that hurts it so bad we'd be better off without the hordes who use it and their files? |
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If he leaves I wouldnīt really care, because most of his users would switch back to Gnutella... or use it at least together with bearshare. What do you think why Vinnie didnīt split from Gnutella? Because his net would have much less files than Gnutella! Morgwen |
hordes who use it? Is that the one or the two people all together? Want to tell me how many? It's not that big, and it's getting smaller all the time. Morpheus brought more users in one day than BS has gotten from a year of trying. You should be more worried about them leaving. BS sucks, the author sucks, it needs to go. |
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If you have the statistics on actual active users it would be very good for you to share them with all of us, perhaps even under a Registered Name. We await your fascinating data to be revealed. http://www.millan.net/minimations/mbutterfl.gif Of course it is always possible that the figures may not be real because no one actually knows - or is that not true? Don't stand under any http://www.animatedgif.net/animals/m...ing_pig_e0.gif while you're checking the data! |
Look, repeating "bearshare sux, it needs to go" over and over like a p2p mantra won't convince me. I am asking what BearShare does that hurts you, as a user of another client. I am asking for a good reason to want BearShare out of gnutella completely. Please, quite treating me like a bearshare brownoser ( I do NOT use it) and let me know why it is so bad for the network as a whole. Morpheus brought in users? yes, that is true. This is not because it was a superior gnutella client however, it was simply because their user base was huge, and moved over with them from FastTrack. And I am worried about them leaving, many of them are disappointed that the 'new morpheus' isn't like the old one, and are leaving. They followed it, but only until they realized it wasn't FT, when many drifted over to Kazaa/Grokster or whatever. No, files are not all that count. Oh wait, they are. Without them, any network is useless isn't it? Bearshare leaving would not mean there would be no files (I'm trying to preempt anyone who would want to take what I say and turn it into a ridiculous absolute) but it would mean less. I too want an improved protocol. BS may lag behind on features, but not as bad as some other clients. How come no one is calling for Phex to leave? No one forces you to use Bearshare, least of all me. I dislike it. But I still do not see how it hurts people who don't use it. Quote:
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Anyway, to wrap this up, spend your considerable energy trying to get people to switch from BS to another client for their own good instead of agitating for BearShare to take it's users and go. Or use a portion of your considerable intellect to tell me how BearShare harms you, as someone who does not use it. Thank you. |
The problem... Me and many others have written down the problem with Bearshare more than one time, i don't give you the link here, i'll repeat it for you: bearshare does: - Blocking 0.4 clients without a technical reason (only a personal one against discontinued old xolox which was really GREAT in the past) - include Spyware.. OK it CAN be turned of at one point in the installation. But there are many users who DON'T know what spyware is or that it stays on their system even if Bearshare is uninstalled. - rule the GDF in a destructive way... ok there were some productive proposals, but it seems that Freepeers tries to force the own marketing concept to the whole network, like "eat that or die" (die means get blocked, see above) - BS tries to tell the user that it's a BearShare Network, and not a Gnutella network. The user never gets any information why e.g. the % Free peers in the horizon is that high... (clustering). it looks as if Gnutella = Bearshare plus 2-3% other clients, and that's far away from the truth! - it sends proprietary Data / encrypted packets... ok vinnie told in one thread that this would be "optional", but turned on by default...... -BS clusters own clients.. that wouldn't be THAT bad, but in adittion to the other "features" it is a very poisonous mix for the network, it means that BS as separated from the net as Vinnie wants, that's called the BS black hole. I hope you understand now... please read also threads like Gnutella has a problem or OpenSource P2P Debate, it's about choice i hope that helped you understanding that we only try to help the network, I, and much other people believe that BS leaving would be healthier for the network than Gnutella with BS. |
the problemS It is not so much a matter of "BearShare leaving" as it is a matter of BearShare (AND LimeWire) users departing their beloved clients if or because they have had enough of the nonsense. And there is a lot of nonsense going on now with both of them. The hits and downloads reflect far more the habits of those just entering the p2p world and also the 'placement' of the various clients in search engine results. When is the last time any of you did a most simple Yahoo search for: .mp3 - file sharing - p2p - whatever? Normal people do NOT search for Gnutella clients - They search for something simple in the beginning and they end with the 'big boys' clients. The number of downloads do NOT reflect the quality of the client. They only reflect the 'quality' of the user and the As is almost always true, "There are lies, there are damned lies and then there are statistics!" Unfortunately today, with the changes in the perception of marketing values within the internet there are people who need to find other less user-amenable forms of financial support. This means that people who are unskilled in the arts of business operations are becoming a little desperate and doing http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/...ein_1/pyth.gif to their loyal 'customers'. |
You forgot to add that history has shown that Vinnie will do anything to win, just like Billy Gates, and I mean ANYTHING! So the download numbers could be inflated (example, it's not that hard to write a script that downloads it 2000 times a day via a cable modem) because to him - thats the scoreboard in his little game. Plus, he releases a new version every week or more, with one or two little fixes because he never seems to get it right the first time, and doesn't want to wait for testers to complete testing. Thus his download "scoreboard" shows he's winning! He soon found out that his scoreboard "points" went up right after a new release, and you can bet he started making even little changes a new version. All those users downloading new versions over and over adds up quick. Nice trick huh? We used to have about 30,000 nodes online at any one time before morpheus. I would say 8,000 were BS and lime had about the same. The rest were spread over all the other clients, so in reality BS and lime have been about even, in my opinion. And now that morpheus is here, the Gnucleus population has gone way up since they are looking for Morpheus but better. But BS stays at that 8,000 or so mark, so it's actually LOSING! Hey Vinnie, your scoreboard isn't working! All your silly little tricks have come back to haunt you. You are losing big time, better go get on your own private BS network and save yourself. |
My statistics (created with qtella) show that of the non-morpheus clients 80% are using limewire or bearshare. - Also just before Morpheus joined gnutella, gnutella had about 100,000 simultaneous. LimeWire admitted that there graph can't show the real numbers due to technical limitations of their crawler. |
If Vinnie Could... He would probably go for his own network. That, however, takes effort. It's a lot easier to try and co-opt an already existing network with an open-source codebase. Lets be thankful he lacks the skill to truly make a stand for himself. |
WTF WTF is wrong with you people (or is it person) to start a flame thread against Vinnie based on lies. If you want the true story read the actual thread that the quote was ripped out of context from. If you're too lazy to do that before you flame then at least read the part that this Unregistered lame *** edited out: "Gnucleus code base is quickly headed where [Bearshare] 2.6.x is, and that is a bulky outdated code base that badly needs a rewrite." This was in response to another flame thread on Bearshare's own forum, and I think he handled it quite well. You should be thankful for Bearshare for bringing new people to Gnutella, and helping it grow to what it is today. If it weren't for Bearshare and Limewire drawing in users and supporting the network, Gnutella would probably be dead today. And don't tell me Morpheus did it all. They merely capitalized on the fact that there was already an open network with plenty of users, the vast majority of which were from Bearshare and Limewire. You remind me of the lame asses that used to spam the Morpheus forums with WinMX crap because they wanted everyone to use what THEY liked better. Why don't you let people decide for themselves what they like better. This childish flaming and spamming only serves to make Gnucleus look worse. I'm not saying that Bearshare is the only choice out there, but IMO, 3.0.0 is right on par with Gnucleus feature-wise, and Bearshare has a better interface. Of course this is my opinion, and I'm not going to flame other clients to try to make them look bad like a 10 year old little boy. How old are you, by the way? |
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Quote Vinnie: "Gnucleus code base is quickly headed where [Bearshare] 2.6.x is, and that is a bulky outdated code base that badly needs a rewrite." Quote Vinnie continues: "I rather doubt Gnucleus will see the rewrite that it needs [here he suspects Gnucleus is bulky outdated code base] because it has no commercial support. So we will see Gnucleus code base get more and more tangled up, harder to work on, and bug-ridden." That's true badmouthing or call it character assassination. PS: No reason to flame, does the truth about Vinnie hurt? |
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well. In that particular thread, Vinnie was giving an assessment of another client as he saw it, as a developer. Big deal. It was a troll at work on bearshare.net and he responded in professional way. Having seen Vinnie in action (been around a while), I'd say he was calm and honest (as he saw it). Actually, for the good of the network, you ppl should only hope that the developers could speak and deal with each other with such civility. We are all connected to each other (at least at the moment), so best to remain at least civil. Swabby might even get a good idea or two! If all the developers agreed on everything, then we would all be running queries, swarming and sharing with each other on a huge, happy-go-lucky network. Sad that is not the case. Each has their own agenda and idea's and that is the way it is. Sadly. Anyway, promote your favorite client without the flames. Give a good reason why I should run something else. At the moment, I am using Gnucleus, but waiting for Bearshare 3.00 to be released. Will I be swayed to be "Gnucleus" loyal? Not on your life. At the moment it works for me. If something "better" come's along....I'm off that bandwagon in a second. (but still sharing my 56 GBs of files,btw...) ;) If, as you say, you have been around a while, perhaps you could use your long experience in attempting to post as registered. Many of us have been 'around for a while'. The real ones post as registered. Sorry if this seems offensive to you, but you are in no position to complain as unregistered. |
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PS: I don't like your flaming, are you a Bearshare VIP in disguise, you sound like Sephiroth or another VIP? |
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Who I am, not a Bearshare VIP. ;) |
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This entire thread is made into a joke entirely because of the number of people posting unregistered. Register and post as such or shut up. I am saying that, not as mod, but as someone who is sick of all of the stupid childish games. Say whatever you like, but do it as a registered poster. If you are going to slag off or support Vinnie, do it for real. If you cannot find the 'gonads' to do it as a registered poster, than do nothing. Silly little boys. |
if you dont like unregistered posts, then forbid them. please don't, but forbid animated grafics which are very childish. |
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Nothing here could possibly be more childish than participating in a forum as unregistered. This is not to be considered as any bias for or against Mr. Falco, but it is simply stupid for fools to come in with all of the comments which are being made regarding him and posting as unregistered. If you don't have the balls to do it registered, than be quiet. What could you possibly imagine is 'more secret' by remaining unregistered? Believe me, there is no difference other than that people cannot PM you or e-mail you, and even those options can be disabled, if you prefer, when registered. But, no unregistered poster has 'anonymity' within the system. Examine the field of the posts and you may discover what I mean. ;) |
unregistered, ursula... I think you are both childish in this case here... you both have your opinion and this is Ok... My two cents, we discussed about "unregistered" posts in the mod area, the most people voted for an open forum, the only forum where unregistered people cannot vote is the bearshare forum... So now shake hands and have fun! :) Morgwen |
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