Please NO flames!

Morgwen

@Unregistered 03-17-2002
i am happy to join any anticommercial, anticlosedsource or antimicrosoft bashing but you should think about your postings
1. get yourself a name and stand for what you say

2. bringt facts, not stupid flaming
-> Vinnie is a member of the_gdf, if oyu dont get what that means, i will happily explain

3. in diffrence to another well known client BS does not install ANY spyware if you disable it during setup *cough*limewire*cough*topmoxie*cough

4. i really think gnutella would long be dead without BS and limewire (and i "use" gnutella since 0.56)
so how about a little respect?

For all of the programers out there hate gnutella and want to do something I suggest that you go over to www.freenetproject.org and help out with the most powerful COMMERCIAL FREE protocol there is. Freenet really is the future of the internet.

I was trying to avoid his thread, but oh well, here it goes, us developers (bearshare, limewire, gnucleus, etc...) are working our asses off day and night, building a better network.

Gnutella would have died off long ago if it wasn't for the constant competition between the clients you see today. For example, LimeWire implemented Ultrapeers, BearShare and Gnucleus are putting it in now too. BearShare added searching and sharing files by hash and the rest of us rush to implement it also. Multi-Source downloading was the product of Xolox's proof of concept and the rest of the gnutella clients put it in shortly after that. And many more features and additions to gnutella have been made over the years, as developers come and go, many have been transparent to you guys.

Instead of being paranoid about whats going on, you can just ask simple questions on a forum like this if there' something you don't understand. All the developers are aware that the most important part of gnutella is the user, and the future evolution and success of gnutella will onlly be determined by your satisfaction with what we create.

It's called "open source", you ***. LimeWire does it. Gnucleus does it. BearShare does not. Why? He's out for the money.

Uhhh, LW still does most of their development and oh yeah, they have a pro version for sale and spyware (non-optional) and they clump. So quite *** about BS. Its a great program and I hope Vinnie can make a living because he deserves to.

Gnucleus is open source but it lags behind in development and swabby does most of the work himself.


***!!!

He ain't makin it off me!

Well, many users and also some developers are not believing in Bearshare does Gnutella a favour. There is no general "us" for all Gnutella developers IMHO, perhaps for GDF developers which are the only who liked to cooperate with Bearshare and Limewire. Aren't you wondering that developers like Pasman (Xolox), Raphael (gtk-gnutella), GodxBlue (Peeranha) are not or never were on the GDF? Is Mike (Cultivator) still on the GDF? Don't forget the non programming staff (most active and serious members here): TruStarWarrior left and Morgwen is thinking about leaving because of BS/LW, as far as I know Kathw isn't pleased too. I allready left active Gnutella support.

For example my point is that Bearshare is abusing Gnutella (have a look on the openp2p thread for details). I wonder a little bit that Vinnie is really a helpfull person for you, how many papers and workedout suggestion have you seen from him? Okay, I can understand that you don't want to kick Limewire, which does GDF development. Without Bearshare I don't see a negative change for Gnutella or development. My thesis is: if there would be a more open, better documented and friendly place for development... more developers and network specialist would like to help. I have met many Gnutella intersted persons which did not want to be part of the GDF (Bearshare was one reason). You don't believe me? Okay, wait some month and with more Bearshare politics you'll hear more users and developers complaining, doing something beside GDF-Gnutella. The most just don't wanna use their free time to post explanations why they don't like Vinnies politics, instead code. Hm, I'm not lucky about seeing Gnutella interests are kinda splittet, but philosophies seems to be very different when I listen to developers.

Greets, Moak

PS: Xolox introduced multisegmented downloading and hashs (CRC32 that time) 7 months ago now.

Moak,

don´t foget Etzi (qtella) and Max (mutella), I believe there are more developers outside than inside the GDF!

Some don´t want to support the $$ clients, some don´t like Vinnie other think LW/BS have to much power and they could not discuss their ideas!

Morgwen

There is no such client as Cultiv8or. Or can you point me to the download? No? Didnt think so. VAPORWARE!