Hey Kayaman, get your act together
 

Ok, now that you "updated" the gnutella support. I've done tests. I used Phex so I can connect to 3 Morp420 ultrappers while I'm a leaf. I've done searches for things VERY popular so I can get hits on the first hop (leaves on morpheus UP, so likely morpheus leaves -50% of GnucDNA UPs leaves are GnucDNAs-). NEVER a Morph result popped up! Only bearshares, LWs and shareazas. I'll now tell LW devs to ban your POS again. I see what you do. You reserve Morph bandwidth to Noenet downloads so Morpheus gets others bandwidth + 100% of morph bandwidth. That is call bast*rd leeching!

Die streamcast.

To be fair this might even be a GnucDNA issue as I don't see gnucleus 2.0, iMesh Trustyfiles results either.... But the stoopid Morph devs are responsible of the softwares they rape into their POS, that's it. They are even more guilty as they are the most used GnucDNA client as of now.

Yes indeed--and he's mutilingual in multiplatform too :)

looking into it

Would be nice if you had some concrete evidence of this and noted what you actually search for.
For sake of argument and addressing this as a real concern, I started up a client and watched outgoing traffic with some files shared.
Connected to a Limewire 4.0.7 Ultrapeer I see outgoing queryhits, pongs, and vendor messages returned by gnucDNA to gnutella. I have attached a screenshot of this.
So what are you on about ??

Furthermore, what you state about 'reserving' all bandwidth for NEOnet is an utter joke. It's funny you think stating something with exclamations at the end of the sentence makes it true.
Morpheus by default opens 8 upload slots for BOTH gnutella and NEOnet and doesn't cap bandwidth to one or the other with any preference. Users can change this if they please.
Nice try, but morpheus isn't a leech.

"I'll now tell LW devs to ban your POS again" , luckily this means squat coming from you. But while you're at it, can you tell Greg or whatever wand you have that makes LW jump to also stop world hunger? thanks in advance.

All in all, we take feedback of any bad behavior or bugs seriously, to be good gnutella community citizens. Whether you believe it or not, using updated gnutella protocol was important to Morpheus and any client using gnucDNA for that matter. John Marshall put a lot of work into it so at the least you may in the future perform some tests that give back real concrete data before spouting off. when there's garbage coming from your mouth it makes it tough to want to respond, but if there are real concerns of bad behavior we ourselves didn't catch I can assure you it's in our interest to address them and so we do. Now that the latest Morpheus is using the latest gnucDNA with the streamlined g1 protocol introducing many more clients using it onto the network, it's not completely unheard of for there to be some potential bugs -- but what you claim surely isn't. Even so..we'll spend some more time looking into it.

by the way, using the word 'rape' and then calling Morpheus devs "stoopid"... hmmmmm. You should reconsider your position.

Before you put too much stock into "et voilas" remarks you may want to think about what he actually proved and how?

In any event, as i stated in my previous post it'll be looked into further in case there is some issue.

Hahaha funny, a Morph dev finally trying to defend his app :D. Okay here is the procedure to reproduce the bug: download Phex at http://phex.kouk.de/, start it. Now get it to connect as a leaf to 3 Morph420 UPs. This may take a while and you have to discard a lot of others UP to get all 3. Search for something very popular in any type ie: outcast, metallica, matrix, harry potter etc etc. Look at the vendor IDs, see there are no Morpheus even with the hundreds of results. This bug can be reproduced at infinite. Why Phex? because LW doesn't connect to Morpheus UPs as a leaf. Why I did the test? Because I never see Morpheus results even though you get 10x the downloads of Shareaza, an other multinetwork client.

Haha again if other Gnet users can't see Morpheus files, who do you think will fill those default 8 slots? Morph IS a leech.

Haha yes I told Greg a magic formula to stop hunger :rolleyes: I'm really tired of Morpheus leech and false promises. As stated in an other thread Morpheus can be read as VAPORWARE.

That's the problem, John does the job and you are sitting there making cash by spywares on others people work. And you don't care about gnutella or you would have stop using it since 2002 :rolleyes: Two years and a half that you leech. You first wrote Xolox that was also destructive to the Gnet with overquerying, so don't lie here. You don't care about Gnutella, period.

No. You rape others people software that you bundle in a GUI. The bundling part is your dev work, the raping is the stoopid part.

In conlcusion, what I did is reproducable, everybody is encouraged to do it (phex and all) and tell you that you don't know anything at all. Your screenshot doesn't help at all, it is only the default traffic analyser from GnucDNA. Did you ever wrote something working by yourself? Sorry to sound harsh but you are obviously lying and coming from a shitty company like that, it makes me angry:(

So I think about it.... You connected as a leaf to a LW UP (why?!!):p :p :p Can't you see the problems seem to be coming the *****ing Moprh UPs?? Or even it could only be GnucDNA corruption of queryhits just as GnucDNAs (1.1.0.5 at least) are sending corrupted chunks of download wwhen you are able to download from them (they are referred by the download mesh, not by query hits).

Don't say I'm not helping you debugging...:rolleyes:

Edit: here is the link of the thread about gnucDNA corruption http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=27366
I see John has fixed a THEX bug days ago so maybe 1.1.0.7 morph is using is exempt of that particular bug.

Your posts sound great because they're filled with false statements.


First off, you weren't promised anything and surely not by me. So you are owed _nothing_. Sure, it's true Morpheus has focus in other areas not just Gnutella ( i.e. Neo Network), so calling it vaporware makes me laugh.

John naturally does most the coding for gnucDNA, it IS his project. I don't want to digress about other things Morpheus is working on since this is a gnutella forum, but if you think morpheus developers do nothing... just keep watchign as Neo Network grows ;-)

Anyway, there's no trying to convince you of anything -- obviously the past history of Streamcast whether i was part of it or not has made you biased enough to not even give current attempts to improve the software a chance.
That's ok though, we'll have the last laugh since Morpheus surely isn't going to die and your posts as much as you think they'll make Morpheus die... won't. ;-).


I'll respond to your remarks in the future if they're actually constructive, otherwise there's much better threads to read on Slashdot.

Also, i won't be using phex.. i showed that a gnucDNA leaf returned a queryhit to a limewire client. Why do i care about phex when LW is the dominate client on gnutella ( no disrespect to phex developer, but i won't be wasting my time testing other people's software).

Lastly.... i do agree there seems to be a lack of Morpheus ( gnucDNA) returned queries overall in the past and so we'll spend some time looking into if this is a problem or just because of the nature of Limewire's domination in the current topology. What I do know is we do return queryhits.

Now that was a false statement. I'm direct but hate telling false things. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are selling a product. You are making money of my bandwidth. You are not giving back to what a P2P is named for: Peer to Peer I give, you give.

Fair. Neonet might become great. Now, you proved my point: get out of gnutella already!!! You have Neo. GnucDNA is non commercial software quality. Stop abusing our and my bandwidth!!Multinetwork clients sucks.

Well that's funny cause users are gonna decide. Even with the millions of newbies, you never know. At least, I know I wouldn't want to work for such a loser company.

Anyway you can't do anything about GnucDNA because you don't understand it, right:rolleyes: I'm sure Swabby would like help from people making cash of his baby.

Afraid of showing my evidence? :o

Cool, look hard, it's your paid job. Truth is that GTK-gnutella only on linux returns 100x more results than you.... (well how do you say 100:0 in maths? :D )

Kayaman here is my advice: don't try to protect Morpheus reputation with lies as Morph' reputation is nulll. Better try to be receptive, helpful and wise to gain some reputation that you can be proud of.

Ciao

Don't you get why i just showed that case, most clients ARE leaves so showing that it returned a queryhit is showing it works.
I didn't mention I also ran as a Ultrapeer and see tons of traffic passed on. I also ran my client returning queries and uploaded dozens of files since this last post as an ULTRAPEER only connected to gnutella. How on earth could clients have found them if it wasn't returning query hits ( alt-locations aside, but i some of these are unique just for testing)

I'll repeat it again though... will look at this in more depth and so will John. Until then there's no gain responding any further.

_If_ there is deeper problem in gnucDNA, we'll fix it , update it, and thank you for noticing ;-) If this is some problem with Phex to GnucDNA or vice versa, i can't say it has a priority at all.

If it makes you angry when you THINK im lying then you need to sort that out with yourself. I believe you're making some false statements mostly founded on misinformation or assumptions, but I'm not telling any lies. I've only responded with things i checked myself first-hand.
Regarding streamcast having bundles and blah blah blah which ****** you off so much and so suddenly we're the devil and anyone associated with it too ( which BTW, Limewire also did so your angelic ideas don't move me) , explain to me how Morpheus didn't help Gnutella again? as fyi I don't care for the bundles either but users can purchase an ad-free version just like LW and Bearshare do... yet Morpheus is evil! !! !! !! ( i think this makes it more convincing, right?)

Hmmmm .... something comes to mind called fighting for years in the U.S courts for the right of software developers to continue to create technology rather then just settling and closing shop like every other p2p client that was sued did before and after Napster .... oh but wait let me stop right there since it's so conveniently never something anyone here mentions.

/done

edit:
You make me laugh, exactly what i did was be receptive to an issue you raised on a late saturday night while im late to be somewhere..... tested briefly to at least respond and left it open about the fact we'd look deeper into this. Have a good weekend :P

et voilà, you are wasting your breath. After seeing some of the results of Zlatin's UDP crawler (and creating some statistics with my own crawler) I'm sure that there are not enough Morpheus hosts in the LimeWire sub-net to cause any problems.

If LimeWire switches to a new network structure in the future, with 100+ UP-2-UP connections and a TTL of 2, you will not have a single Morpheus peer left in your search horizon, so why bother?

Also, since Morpheus does not support the new UDP transfer protocol, they won't be able to download from many LimeWire hosts anyway.

Kayaman:
LOL The popularity you enjoyed in 2001 comes at a cost. From a technology borrowed to Kazaa. Any P2P company would have won the cases, so don't act as if you saved the world.

Trap_Jaw:
Trap_Jaw, I think the crawler doesn't count all GnudDNAs (ever been in that Gnucleus 1.8.4 chinese cluster??? It is HUGE.) And my uploads of big files tells me there are lots of Morpheus. This is confirmed by using Phex that has a hard time to find LWs but finds a lot of Morpheus peers. They ARE slowing Gnet. Of course with F2F transfers, their behavior will have less effect ;)

KathW:
Allô Kath! My tone is done on purpose as I want Morph devs to think about what they are doing and maybe get a cat out of the bag :p

Ciao

Trying the latest Gnucleus from CVS, there is a huge bug: Gnucleus (GnucDNA??) doesnt remember hashes of files accross launches... You know that when you want to test sharing 41 movies and 50 songs, it is a major pain (doesnt help to share content on Gnet either). I did send queryhits in statistics as a leaf to 2 morph420 UPs (1 per minute as an average) and a Shareaza seem to have found one of my shared file (upload). Finding gnucdna results was a real pain. I did found few old Morpheus 4.0.53 results out of hundreds results. This is not normal, I should have seen much Morph results and queryhits. Normally I would get swamped by uploads in seconds. I took 10 minutes to get one.

That Gnucleus 1.8.4 cluster has maybe 500 ultrapeers at most vs. 70,000+ LimeWire ultrapeers? It may seem large when using Phex, because Phex (and most non-LW clients for that matter) cannot really connect to LimeWire ultrapeers. Not even 10% of the nodes you can reach with LimeWire (and that can reach you) are not running LimeWire. And most of those are either BearShare or Shareaza.

You will never see the light at the end of the tunnel will you et voilà?

:D I see it Vampmon, I see it! There are just some obstacles that pop up there and there, but some are more persistants to get through than others. LOL.


Ciao:p

Lol, et voilà…

Being serious, it isn’t appreciated when it is simple criticism of Morpheus, and total downgrade of the program. Ok, post what the problems are, post what you would like to see changed, post what you would like to see added and what you LIKE about the program, so it is known what to keep and what not to keep in future versions. All these things are important to know, but I only ever see downgrading from most of the people here. Lots of work has been put into Morpheus 4.2 and NEOnet is working exceptionally well, even though it is still in BETA. Hopefully future versions of Morpheus will change what you think, that is if Morpheus 4.2 hasn’t.

"The truth is out there" lol

Don't get me wrong: Neonet interesses me. This is a gnutella forum however and I'm criticizing the gnutella part of Morpheus and it's interaction with other gnet clients. The gnutella part of Morpheus is sucky and Morpheus devs don't care nor they can't do anything about it. Those who care about Gnutella should definitly avoid Morpheus. If you want to promote neonet why does Morpheus does not make a dedicated forum on their website to talk about that? Here is not the place for that. I have many questions about that specific DHT implementation and specs are not available in public. I can't like something I don't understand. I'm not a blind follower you know and I like it that way ;)

Anyway if you say Morpheus doesn't suck because of Neonet... well, that's not why the gnutellaforums.com Morpheus forum was created.

Hope you understand someday ;)

Kath, I don't know how you discovered my plans. Well a part of them anyway.

No smiley,
et voilà

While "Morph devs" were playing golf being paid, John Marshall was working for free, as he did update his gnucDNA to 1.1.0.8.

Here is the changelog:
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GnucDNA 1.1.0.8

swabby: X-Try headers always parsed during handshake
swabby: Newer hosts to cache attempted first for connections
swabby: Put a max on alt hosts that will be used from one source
hosts
swabby: Fixed outbound ttl for queryhits not being set correctly
swabby: ID3-less hashing turned on by default
swabby: Limited amount of hosts from a single subnet
swabby: X-Alt hosts must be verified first before adding to mesh
swabby: X-Nalt suppport added
swabby: Banned openext

I wonder if the bold statement was the cause to the no results from GnucDNAs...

John Marshall is not working entirely for free.

Who pays him?

Morgwen

I know last year Morpheus paid him so they can release Morpheus 3.0, but now....??? I think trap_jaw is speculating :p Maybe t_j was talking about the paid job John probably got if he finished university...

Well I'm not in the know this time :D

that's what I was referring to.

You continue to talk out of assumptions ( or ignorance). And no, the line you bolded isnt the reason nor was there one -- gnucDNA clients do return queries.
What you referenced is that TTL's were being sent out higher than they should be, but the node receiving it just reset it and so has no adverse effect.

These changes are picked up and updating soon in an already scheduled release. The 'X-Nalt' support was added to appease LW by swabby, but yea... get them to ban us ;-)

You can continue to assume that the gnutella implementation is "bad", but until we get back direct responses from the REAL LW's devs that they share your negative opinions, than it's all hot air you're posting. As Morpheus users slowly upgrade and the less 'old' Ultrapeers remain.... the difference is seen.

There are really differences being made but lets just look at the negative, it's good for boosting your post count. ;-)

et voila: i accidently posted as kayaman2 and when deleting it , deleted your response. OOPS!
don't expect a response, it's already noted everything you say is to take jabs at either a) morpheus b) gnucDNA, c ) morph devs know nothing ( Yawn, get a new one or show us applications you have built?) and d) all of the above.

Now delete my post again and your in trouble man. I rewrote my post and I'm saving it on my harddrive.

You seem on par with my ignorance on GnucDNA, Kayaman :rolleyes:

Why don't you disable gnutella support just like you did for G2? The G2 support in GnucDNA is more healthly for that network than the gnutella support for the Gnet is. I know that you wrote your NeoNet DHT over GnucDNA so you don't have to write a full P2P app as it would be too difficult for you. You probalby use GnucDNA to dl , upload exchange sources etc... That does NOT mean however that you have to force your users to use Gnutella and leech from us.

Hope my point is taken,
Morpheus is a looser on all the line :rolleyes:

Edit: well at least you apologized for deleting my post.
Edit2: I really don't have anything against GnucDNA used in hobby P2P apps, new developers have to come from somewhere. John Marshall is a great dev and GnucDNA is a great project for a one man work. I definitly recommend using Gnucleus to users instead of Morpheus. But I really have something against Morpheus, I'm not hiding that. And you are well deserving my bitching, sir.
Edit3: I love answer choices! I take the options a) Morph, c) Morph devs know nothing and a variant of b) GnucDNA (in morpheus we should add)

oh calm down, your ego...eeeerrr post count is intact. You saw for yourself i posted as an unregistered user. No hard feelings ;-)


"us"? LW isn't the only client on the network, Morpheus does share back, and lastly last I checked Gnutella was an open network -- not LimeNet.

My last point still stands, the gnutella implementation is better and will continue to be and it's absurd to think it's bad for the network when it's quite the contrary.
You post actual proof , with the LW's devs stamp of approval since you seem to try to speak for them of the how 'unhealthy' it is for the network on any sort of significant scale and you'll have a case.
LW is always making changes and i see mistakes made along the way... yet it seems the same standard isn't afforded to Morpheus when actually trying to make changes. Good look with whatever software you make so perfect ;-)

Look, us means legitimate Gnet clients! I'm probably the person that uses the most P2Ps here so while I know LW the most you are totally wrong. Us means Bearshares, Limewires, Gtk-gnutella, Phex, Swapper, Gnucleus(!!!) and even Shareaza. Us means people understanding Gnet and having their own implementation, not one stolen, borrowed or whatever you call what you have done. If at least you were open source I could understand the use of GnucDNA, but until then...

Mistakes are human, but at a certain number they reveal incompetence, Morph reached that level since version 2. While I admit that I'm not perfect and I make some mistakes when bashing Morpheus, I fell that my motives are right. I'm probably the only person here with trap_jaw that can educate people about that. That also make you aware (morph devs) of your too many problems in both ethics and software efficiency.

In fact my posts might benifit to Morpheus in the end because my comments are read and debated, I fell like a cheap beta tester or a person in a image commity helping you improve the app. My intentions is that everybody should use something else than morpheus but the consequences of my posts might do otherwise. We'll see. Until then people should learn to avoid by their own conclusions poor apps like Morpheus.

Ciao

Sorry et voilà, but the list of well-behaved clients on Gnutella does not include Phex, Shareaza or Gnucleus. While I don't care that Phex is doing an unacceptable amount of requerying because there aren't many Phex users out there, Shareaza and in fact any GnucDNA based client (including Gnucleus) are really on my personal ****-list.

Trap_jaw, legitimacy does not necessarly means good behaving! Those legitimate clients bring diversity to Gnutella. You know diversity is good. It's like an ecosystem. However if a rare specie grows to a prolific one, it will likely disturb the ecosystem. :D

et voilà .........................

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Good! The Troll is now sleeping. That should quiet the Morpheus forum a bit.:rolleyes:

Every forum needs a troll it can be fun. :D

Morgwen

erm... ok lol :confused:

I am an old man with little to do in life nowadays. One of the few pleasures I have left is to download music and share it with friends, and have found 'Morpheus' to offer the most splendid service. The addition of 'Neonet' has done wonders for the service, and I have found it to have improved both download speeds and search results. For what little my opinion is worth, I would heartily use it to reccommend this service to all.

Héhéhé, here I come. Sorry, but the post of Mr_T_G_Chesterton seems fishy. It reminds how new members came out of nowhere defending trustyfiles and ES5 at slyck forums :rolleyes: With all the bashing they just poppped up saying: yeah but it works great for me, everybody should try it! (it was later proved that those new members were the programmers of the software). If indeed what Mr_T_G_Chesterton said is legit, well use what works for you. However you are well informed that there are many much better alternatives. Newbies might just help Streamcast survive, it is sad :(

Peerless what da ya talking about?

Ciao

Very well said Mr Chesterton, NEOnet will improve lots more in up-coming versions :) . Just wait and see!

Tx Peerless, well I guess that an advantage of being supermod is looking at IP's. I'll look into this in the next days (ASA CC makes me a SM, of course ;) ). FYI my instinct is quite surnatural with fishy things. It served me well in the past. :p

Ciao

Edit: I though you had a friendly nick name for Kath that was "Proxy" :D

It's always fishy when it comes to people difending Morpheus. When it comes to LimeWire though, it's a different story!

:D the first pop up when you install morpheus is from AnonX, a proxy service with a five days free trial for morpheus users!!! hahahahahahaha. At least they use the products they advertise :rolleyes:

You are officially stupid

Don´t cross the line or we say bye bye.

Don't be paranoid, - there are still some users who are happy with Morpheus - Morpheus is still among download.com's weekly most popular downloads.

Yes, Morpheus is still very popular, and I’m sure that more people will accept Morpheus into the community on up-coming versions. :) (People like et voilà)

Et Voila do you know what is really funny, Vampnon and this new user have the same provider. :D

Morgwen

Should I be surprised? :eek:

:p

Yes, us & 5Million others!

Et voila!Whoever you really are, you need to spend less time fretting over what is posted on these sites and direct some of your obvious intelligence into something else. Your speed and frequency of reply demonstrates an obsessiveness. It's quite unnerving. Seriously, how important is this stuff? Do you realise how sad you seem with statements promising to 'investigate this fishy business' or whatever. We're not talking about a murder ffs. There's a whole world out there. Check it out!

You probably don't know that I can do many things at once if I'm sitting in front of a computer, don't you? Hint: get a tabbed browser like Firefox and Mac OS X, you'll be surprised at your productivity. Also, if I knew you were about to troll so long (6 months now), I would probably not jumped into the "Morpheus leech campain". You are really wasting my time, but I force myself to go up to the end of something I get into. It's up to you to continue to come here again. But I'll be there. :o