LimeWire.com website

#1 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

For your information, without JavaScript the site doesn't seem to work at all (independent of the browser). Even with JavaScript enabled whatever national flag I click on, it always sends me to the Japanese version - not with Mozilla but my favourite browser. To my knowlegde that's one of a very few legit website where absolutely nothing works without JavaScript. Well, it's your lost sales, not mine.

sberlin · #2 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

We're working on revising some of the website.

Meanwhile, enable JavaScript. Having it disabled is akin to having cookies disabled and expecting things to work.

#3 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

At least you wrote "cookies" instead of "flash". Yes, I for one expect being able to browse a site without cookies or JavaScript enabled. This works fine with the sites I usually visit. Just consider that even the scam sites appear more user-friendly with respect to this.

By the way, please don't try to shift the subject. I never wrote anything about cookies or having any problems with it.

sberlin · #4 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

I didn't change the subject. I made an analogy.

Cookies are as important as JavaScript when talking about websites.

I'm sorry that you expect to be able to use websites without basic functions of a browser. Unfortunately, there's not much we can do for that sort of expectation.

#5 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

Yeah, see that's what I meant. Cookies are definitely more important (although that's another problem) than JavaScript. The point for disabling JavaScript is that it's the weakest part of all browsers and the most complex one. It's certainly not a "basic" feature. You simply cannot compare cookies and JavaScript as the latter is magnitudes more complex, powerful and dangerous. In a nutshell, one is active whereas the other is passive. People afraid of "cookies" usually don't even know what those are and the fear of them is often ill-founded. JavaScript however is quite a different beast and many experts advise you to enable it for "trusted" sites only.

If you are serious about "cross-platform", you have to expect that people use browsers other than MS IE or Mozilla which may not support JavaScript (properly).

Quote:

Unfortunately, there's not much we can do for that sort of expectation.

You can't be serious about that. Do you really mean a gray site with absolutely nothing displayed is the best you can do? I guess you mean you don't care about those "few" people which I could comprehend.

sberlin · #6 (**permalink**) June 12th, 2005

Experts advise many things. Many of them are so far gone that they're useless. Disabling JavaScript falls into that category.

We develop on Windows, Linux, and OSX. Every commonly used browser on those platforms views the website just fine. Users on OS/2 also can view the website. So can people on Sun/OS, Solaris, Mac Classic, and pretty much any other platform you can think of.

A pure gray screen with nothing visible is bad, yes. However, disabling JavaScript in IE shows the website perfectly fine. It's usable & it works -- it's just a bit ugly. That's a far cry from a gray screen.

Whatever browser you're using probably is doing something wrong.

#7 (**permalink**) June 13th, 2005

Ok, when I remove the <script></script> from the page, I get
this:

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">
<html>
<head>
<title>LimeWire</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<body bgcolor="#373737">
</body>
</html>

Doesn't look like my browser is doing anything wrong - to me.

Why don't you add this to the header?

<meta http-equiv="refresh" content="0; URL=http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml">

Or a link to that in the body? When I do that manually, even the links for each flag are correct. Though after that the problems continue but that's simply caused by relying on location.replace().

#8 (**permalink**) June 13th, 2005

One thing I forgot:

Unless you use a browser branch server-side, I'd be worried (once more) about MS IE. It definitely couldn't show anything but a gray page if JavaScript was really disabled. So either the browser lies or you got different HTML due to its User-Agent header.

sberlin · #9 (**permalink**) June 13th, 2005

Oh. You're talking about the very very very first page at www.limewire.com. That's ages old. The main page is http://www.limewire.com/english/content/home.shtml , which works just fine.

I'll ask about the meta tag. I suspect it was done this way to support detecting if the other side has support for international languages.

sberlin · #10 (**permalink**) June 13th, 2005

Should be fixed now. Sorry for the troubles.

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