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Ok, thank you for the interest in this... Lord of the rings, I read your past topic on this, I was sure I wasn't going to invent gun powder all over again, so that proves me I am not alone in this quest. Let's then put some kind of virus check on limewire where it will not let you share a file if it contains a virus, or if the file size does not match the known file size for a given program, something like a general scanner, that would take care of the unsuspecting sharers out there. As for the users ho deliberately share these files, well..... a nice surprise visit at their home with a baseball bat would be nice, but let's be realistic.... that would hurt them badly.
I say Limewire should take into account these ideas, and maybe give them a try, release a beta with it and see what happens...
today I looked for a boot manager which weighs 7 megs, I couldn't even begin to explain how many times I had to mark as junk files of less size, until after 50 "get more results" I found ONE hwich was 7,107... beautiful, and thank you limewire, but that only shows me that these smaller files tend to butt in in front of the legit files, and just cram up the results leaving no room for the good ones. If junk or virus files get bigger, then it means your usual user out there wont want to have a 100mb file just sitting around being useless, and thus would most likely delete it, it would also be harder to spread because being so large, and maybe already tagged by bitzi, no one would get it, or they would make sure it was not a virus. Small files are usually downloaded without checking because they're quick to download and generally the person doesnt have too much of a clueas to what they're doing...
I have an idea, Bitzi was somehow founded and it's a great help....
but why not create a similar project where the file sizes of legit software are recorded much in the same way that these files get bitprints so as to have a record of an original file size, then, whenever a file gets recorded as a virus, or incomplete one could check in the same way we do bitzi. maybe even with a "file size discrepancy" alert to the user...
Well, I'm not the brightest bulb in the knife drawer , but I actually think that with the right people on it, this thing could work. if anything it would certainly make it harder for these crackhead losers to keep seeding junk to people.....
thank you for waisting 3 minutes of your lives reading this.....
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I think it sounds like a great idea. Why not suggest it at the LW forums as a potential bounty? The LW beta forums can be found here (but it's a different forum & need to do a separate registration): http://www.limewire.org/forum/index.php

BTW if people seriously want specific improvements in LW, you can sponsor them if you're willing. ie: Put the money forward for creating such an improvement & either the LW team or other donators of code will try to create such a code patch to do what this request is. LW put bounties rewards on things they'd like done. But this can also be done independently. If you want to find out more, send me a private message by clicking on my username & send message.
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Sorry Seith I disagree. 1) the small, junk files ARE generated trojans/viruses/worms. 2) They usually appear at the top of your search results 3) There's no way to filterout a generated trojan/virus/worm by size.

The keyword is 'generated' in the old days, Napster/OpenNap users word change their titles slightly to avoid the filters etc. They do this on Gnutella so how would filtering by size work on something that can be renamed or is a dummy file generated by a dummy machine?

It wouldnt work and if users simply tweaked their settings, they wouldnt see so much junk in their search. Interesting but have yet to see it as a feature Its the Users who control Gnutella not Limewire. You can not filterout something that is automatically generated if that were true then we'd have no need for automatic spam emails in our inbox. Even spam fiters find ways go get around that.

You can request it until you're blue in the face. I cant see it working nor can I see any programmer taking their time to invent it.

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Old August 25th, 2006
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You can't disagree about what I said, becuase I didn't give an opinion... I said a truth

When you first search you see it organised as you set before (name, result#)


Clicking the Size column headder once sorts it ascending [/\]


Clicking it again sorts it descending [\/]


If you can't see the SIZE column, right click one of the column headings, and select "Size" from the popup menu.

=) Thus making all virus/trojan suspected files (the small ones) at the bottom and out of sight.

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Now if I could only get rid of anything smaller than 2 megs when I know i am looking for something that is over 2 megs??


Oh, and the exe file is freeware and it worked fine with no virus or spyware...
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Why the heck do you download such crap? If you really need DOS there's a free and legal alternative:
http://www.freedos.org/

I'm surprised that people download executables from Gnutella. Did you visit the official site first to get a signature or checksum at least? If not, do you really think a software is safe if your virus scanner reports nothing? There's certainly no 100% safety or security but if you don't even try, you get none and deserve none. The problem though is, it's not just you, who's going to suffer but potentially millions of people who are going to receive spam (******, IM, Gnutella etc.) from your machine.

Edit: Oh, wow, you censor the short form of "electronic mail".
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I don't often agree with you but I certainly do on this one, people who download exe files from the P2P network without having the common sense to protect their PCs deserve what they get. And even if they had an AV, as you said, there is no such thing as 100% protection.

The biggest and best protection anyone can use on there PC is "Common Sense" but if users refuse to use it then it is the rest of us on the network that will ultimately suffers.


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I ty to do everything in my power to stay clean through virus scanning and sometimes knowing the file size before I download, especially .exe extensions. When I really doubt the validity of a program I really need, I have a second computer which I use to first install and test programs, once they pass they come into my computer. Most people can't do this, or think it takes too long, but after being hit several times in my life with some killer viruses, or virii, whatever... I learned to be more patient. That is why I need to have this function put in place, so that I can weed out file sizes I KNOW i dont need, and so if Im looking for a small file size, I can open the filter back up and search all files.... I dont think it's such a bad idea, I think it wouldnt take much code writing since they could prety much copy and paste some portion of the search features changing only to output file sizes greater than =x or only files lower than =y or none and then cram it in the next beta...
C'mon, if I paid for this program I would like my opinions really considered, or for someone to shut me up by really explaining why it is so difficult if not impossible to incorporate such feature in Limewire...
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I gave my reasons why it will never be done. You CANNOT filter by size if its a generated trojan. The trojans/junk files are GENERATED because of WHAT YOU typed in the search. Dont you get it? You cant block it by size filter because ITS GENERATED and will keep spawning each time a keyword is typed up. I trhink its funny you whining about size filters in Limewire just so you can steal something without getting a virus. You steal software, you run the risk of getting a virus, no matter what the size of the file is.
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When you first search you see it organised as you set before (name, result#)
Im not a programmer but Ive been on Gnutella long enough to know that YOU CANNOT nor a programmer CANNOT filterout a GENERATED trojan by size because it will just spawn into a larger file. No one gets it. The files are small because nothing blocks it. Keywords typed in the search generates the trojan/junk so its at the top of your list along with other trojans/viruses right? So, if someone invents a SIZE FILTER what do you think will happen? They will generate into bigger files over 5megs and then what? You still will need yet another filter by size etc. Its like a catch 22.
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