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Future of Limewire? Ok! Limesharers lets think about some solutions to avoid the add-ins as Gator or eZula! I can accept the argument of the Limewire developers that the bills must be paid but not with such a software! Lets collect a few ideas - I made a few possible solutions! If you want a "free" (without these add-ins) Limewire in future, vote for your solution! Thanks, Morgwen |
Why didn't you include an option for spyware free ads? Can't they just put some banners? Carlo |
Hi Carlo! I forgot... Morgwen |
Monthly fees for LimeWire or buying it is no longer an option, since it is open-source and any effords to publish new versions as closed source would probably just result in a fork of the project, since LimeWire can't just un-gpl the open versions. I would suggest the LimeWire developers seriously start working on LimeWire extensions like GroupWare features, much more customizable XML-schemes and some kind of version-control system, so they can sell it to companies. People who don't respect copyrights usually don't pay for software, so gnutella users are no good customers. To tell the truth, gator/ezula/whatever is the only way to make money with software like LimeWire and I was already wondering how a company can survive for that long without making profit of some kind. |
Hi John! Morpheus has only banners and they survived! And seems you are one of a few who want this tools... and this is sure not the only option! The actual reality is Limewire is very unpopular after they added Gator etc. but many people use compiled versions... John you are right is hard to earn money with an open source product... Morgwen |
JAVA.. I wouldnt pay in anyway for Limewire. I used the client a few upgrades ago. It was slower then what i was using they had limits to search returns. and a few other things i didnt like. One more thing was the GUI. it wasnt as friendly as it could be. I just got in to java and i bow my head to them for making a client made of JAVA.. I think they picked java for the plattforms it could be used on, But can you not use C in windows and Unix? I would like to know if there is a nother reason they choose JAVA :) Becker |
Hi Becker! Java works on every OS that is the reason... Morgwen |
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If you want to change your vote talk with CycloCide or Trustar! Morgwen |
Carlo- The current banner ads actually have no relation to spyware, so the "spyware-free ads" option is what we currently implement. The ads are simply run through an ad engine that does nothing aside from displaying the ads. This is a separate issue from Gator and TopText, but the ads themselves do not have anything to do with spyware. Thanks! |
I did vote for Paypal, because I don't use Limewire regular. But If I do, I would vote for Spywarefree/Thirdpartycodefree-Adds + Merchandising (e.g. cool T-Shirts). |
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Thanks, I was waiting for you to add the option... So no need to bother the admins. :) |
Np Carlo! Morgwen |
Some important information! After installation of LW you can also find Web3000 on your system, this software is bundled with Gator... Lw has no relations with Web3000 but with gator, so I think its important to mention that also Web3000 will be installed... The second important thing is the uninstaller... this one doesn´t uninstall the bundled software... and it was never planed to do so... I think it is important to mention this in a pop up Window or something like this... Do the Limewire developers want to ad something? Morgwen Note: This is no new spyware war thread, this is only an information, but feel free to ad your comments! |
Gnutella book Hi! Hmm, I thought about other ideas of finance Limewire. How about writing a peer-to-peer book? "Programming a peer to peer client: A modern gnutella client" Full source code and new user guide included on CD. There you explain how to start with a small and easy 0.4 protocoll client (C++ and Java), then introduce all modern concept (superpeer, swarmed downloads, filehashs, traffic relaying) together with the Limewire sourcecode (Java only). In another section you can describe alternative file sharing systems (like Napster, FastTrack, eDonkey) and how they work (a lot of reverse engeenering has been done allready). In another section you can describe Limewires GUI together with a user documentaion. While your code is GPLed and Limewire does a lot of research and documentation... it might be a way to earn money and improve user base? This book could become a de-facto-standard among Gnutella programmers with regular updates. You current user base might want to buy this book too. Just an idea, Moak |
I don't think there's that much money in writing yet another p2p-book. Especially since LimeWire is not O'Reilly... |
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its sound you have better ideas, I am listening... Morgwen |
Maybe I do have an idea. Why doesn't LimeWire bundle adware like gator with its software? At least they'd earn more money than by depending on the charity of the LimeWire community... |
You are funny John! Morgwen |
John: Miaaooo |
We've actually thought about writing a book before, although not necessarily as a big source of revenue. We've probably have to make a good chunk of change before we'd have the resources to really put something like that together though. It could be really neat if done well (and a lot of fun). |
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We definitely would not recode the entire program for the sake of the book, so any source code available in a book would probably be in Java. That said, this conversation is probably a bit premature, as we don't have any real plans to publish a book any time in the near future. |
Hmm, what is generally with the merchandising idea? Morgwen |
wierd stuf.. I click on one link and it takes me to a differnt thread.. not cool.. about the pay pal.. that wouldnt be fourced pay pal? Bearshare.com had a link to paypal.. ask vinnie how much money that brought in.. Becker |
i'm not casting a vote but i would like to state a my opinion about Spyware!!! lets rename that term TROJAN let quite fooling ourselfs spyware is a invasion of our privacy!!! it is software(VIRUS) that is bundled up in programs like this one to record and react to your surfing habbits!!! now let me put it in lamans terms you and your partner just bought a house..from some Big developer......but without you knowing before you move in they install little cameras' all over the house (big privacy invasion right??)would you like that? you would be mighty ****ED OFF!!, you might even take legal action...but you find out that this is legal and why??? so that the developer can learn what you like in a house, were you hang out, where you put you furniture or what ever let you imagination go wild !!! now this is all hypotheticaly speaking ofcourse...... or is it?? i don't think so because thats were things like spyware lead!!! (really) because all it take is someone (like a home devoper) to say hey they can get away with it, and so why can't I? now think about it if they can do this now!!! whats it going to be like in ten years? that thought scares me!! i hope i made a good point for all of you whom don't understand what spyware is. and if you want a great program to combat this (virus)it is called adware and you can find it at www.lavasoftusa.com |
We have discussed this problem... now we try to find other solotions! Do you have one? Morgwen |
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there are several threads in this forum here and he can post there his opinion... but "this" thread here is about finding new solutions! Get it? But thank you for explaining me my job! :rolleyes: Morgwen |
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As well as being a forum troll, what exactly is your "job" Morgwen |
Good heavens! Well, it doesn't seem to me that Morgwen has been so rude. He was inviting to give suggestions, which is a constructive intention. Maybe he does not speak (nor I do :p) as a queen of the XVIII century, but i would not call him a troll for this. Carlo |
I just want to chime in that we should all try to be as friendly as possible about all of this (echoing Carlo) -- it's already a little pathetic that we all spend so much time on this forum (I know I've posted on several Saturday nights!), but let's not let it degrade to personal attacks on each other, ok? From my perspective, what we're talking about is too important -- gnutella and it's success or failure is too important -- to allow personal differences to consume all of our energy. Regarding the spyware issues, I just want to point out that all of the spyware is optional on the install, so the analogy above does not really work aside from the good point by an earlier contributor mentioning that you are being given the house for FREE! Cydoor is not an optional install, but Cydoor does not collect any information about you -- it's just an ad-engine. There's a helluva big difference in my mind. This is more like buying a TV for your house (displays ads) -- a pretty common practice in my experience =). |
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Hey, Morgwen! I think your poll, suggestions, and time have been taken seriously over at LimePeer! http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/pro |
I am glad to see that the Limewire developers are thinking about new solutions... The price of 6$ is fair... Morgwen |
I wouldn't mind paying it. But it's so easy to remedy yourself, I'm just going to get rid of the ads on my own. Has anyone noticed that Aureate is being installed with 1.9 and 2.0 betas? I am, and someone else I know is too. I don't see any warning in the installation, or a license agreement either. :-|.............. |
This aureate folder is a part of Gator I suppose... And about the warning, I asked afisk and he said this is a good idea and they are thinking about this... Morgwen |
Just to follow up on this, we looked into the Aureate issue in more detail. It turns out that the Cydoor installer is installing a directory called "AdCache" in the system32 folder. This is just a little cache to make the ads display more efficiently. Apparently, however, this is the same directory name that Aureate uses, and Ad-Aware incorrectly flags it as an Aureate file. It's really just a part of the Cydoor ads engine. |
How about a completely diffrent aproach : You currently have 8 banners circulating how about making a dir on the limewire website and dump them in there : example http://www.limewire.com/ads/ and then number all ads like this inside that dir : ad01.gif ad02.gif ad03.gif ... Then built a routine inside LimeWire to download them all when it starts up , and display them randomly . (preffered) Or Make download it again everytime it changes the currently displaying ad . (not so preffered) Now with today's modern web-servers it wouldn't be that hard to count how much that file gets downloaded . Why use aurate / Cydoor / ... when you can simply make a routine to download the file from a regular webserver ? The main problem that the LimeWire team has with the ads is not displaying them to the people but proving to the ad-companies that they have been actually displayed or they won't get paid See Cydoor and Aurate don't only circulate the ads like the LimeWire crew claims but it also counts how long and how manny times the ad has been displayed . Who knows what their agreement with the ad companies is ? - fixed amount of $$ - $$ per download of ad - $$ per view of ad (best gues) - $$ per time ad is displayed - $$ per click exept for the first option all those arrangments need some kind of feedback to the ad-companies . When it downloads ads , we say : OK When it shows ads , we say : OK when it sends feedback of those ads : Alarm , red alert !! And that's why there are so much complaints on the forum about the ads . Most people don't mind the ads being showed . What they do mind is that "feedback" that programs like Cydoor and Aurate provide . So the questions is not : How do we get rid of the ads ? But : What other options then Spyware do we have to keep the ad firms happy and thus LimeWire paid ? Now you people say : Why don't we make LimeWire do this all itself ; display the ads and provide the feedback ? Because those big ad-firms won't trust LimeWire at that level , they won't say "You tell us how much ads you displayed this month and well pay you , no evidence needed to support that number . Gold bouillion or silver krougerrands this time ?" Spyware is completly developed sepperatly by the ad-firms . Then they give it to the LimeWire crew with instructions on how to insert it into the program . They don't get to change a single byte . If they would give the specifications of the online and server end of the spyware , LimeWire would gladly accept that arrangement and write their own ad-code into LimeWire . But no , like I said the ad firms don't trust LimeWire on that level and won't let them write their own code for the feedback . So their stuck with the spyware that their ad firm provides . Wich usually does nasty things we don't like . "So , go with another ad firm !" That would be the most logical thing to conclude . But have you looked at the list of spyware recently ? It's thaaat long ... Good luck finding an ad firm wich doesn't force spyware onto LimeWire . |
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If all LimeWire users downloaded the images from limewire.com, LimeWire Inc. would definitely go out of business. Do you know how much bandwidth that would consume? I'll show you.... 8 images roughly 50,000 bytes (50KB) each. This is minimum but I believe they're bigger than that. 8 * 50,000 = 400,000 (400KB almost half a megabyte) If you ever studied the host count at limewire.com you can tell at least ~20,000 hosts sign-on through out the day. 400,000 * 20,000 = 8,000,000,000 (8 Gigabytes) That would mean 8 gigs of data would transfer from limewire.com daily and bandwidth is not free. They are already paying for router.limewire.com whichs gets a lot of gnutella traffic constantly from all types of clients. I mean shutup about the ads already just pay your 6 dollars and be happy. Give something back to the community.... |
anti-bearshare! Router.limewire.com is ONLY used by Limewire now! And Limewire is now $8.50! Just my two cents! Morgwen |
The main reason that we didn't write an ad engine ourselves is that we would rather spend our time coding LimeWire. There are the server load issues and everything as well, but it's also just a whole separate piece of code to maintain, especially when you get into detailed reporting to advertisers. Cydoor has all of this set up, and they also have established relationships with advertisers. Advertising is their full-time job, whereas we prefer not to deal with this stuff. So, that's the story. We were also never claiming that Cydoor did not keep track of its views/click throughs, etc. There would be absolutely no way for Cydoor to sell advertising if that were the case. It does detailed reporting, again, just like the banner at the top of this page does detailed reporting. |
Wich banner ? I block it ... :) |
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I use the Proxomitron . it's a proxy that uses a text matching engine . If you can write it in HTML or JAVA , it can filter it . http://www.proxomitron.org/ |
$8.50 isnt that much to pay for this decent product *OK* so limewire is gpled.... but hey you know what? 8.50 is *not* a lot to pay for such a great product. not only is limewire the leading developer of the gnutella network.. they have diligently and continuously updated their product.. limewire has improved immensely in reliability since the 1.X days... i download sooo much stuff .. and u know what? 8.50 is NOT a lot of money folks.... thats what? two value meals at taco bell? .. quit being so cheap people honestly.. they could charge 30+ $'s.... I Paid for limewire pro and i have no complaints :) |
Buy the software I would like to buy limewire and pay for it once and then to get further upgrades free like they do now. |
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