Unreg'd Moron
 

hi im retarded and don't know how gnutella works

Mr. polite it makes me sick if I read such posts...

Xolox has not the ability to share files without your permission, so it must me a search query... nobody can share files through your computer you don´t want to...

And next time keep cool and ask before you accuse someone in this way...

Morgwen

I think these are just the queries cached by that client or am i wrong? As long as you are not providing or downloading any child porn I think you shouldnt care about queries.

Paradog,

you are right, this guy don´t know how Gnutella or a packet sniffer works...

Morgwen

This is just part of a query packet

PacketHeader:
MsgID = 3F EE 3F 3C-9B 71 D6 11 B2 92 44 45 53 54 00 00
FuncID = 80 ( Query )
TTL = 01
Hops = 06
PayloadLen = 19 00 00 00

Query:
MinSpeed = 00 00
SearchString = 69 6E 63 65 73 74 20 6B 69 64 64-79 20 72 61 70 65 20 6D70 65 67 00

@Paradog
you say:"I think these are just the queries cached by that client or am i wrong? As long as you are not providing or downloading any child porn I think you shouldnt care about queries."

Do you condone child porn?.

@Morgwen
You say:Xolox has not the ability to share files without your permission, so it must me a search query...

I am sharing nothing,It seems funny to me that I sent and recieved over 5Mb in less than 5 minutes,from only 2 IP addresses.Mabe it was a file from one to the other???.

As for how the packet sniffer works, Well here goes:
First - Double click the Packet Sniffer icon t o load it.
Second - Click on the start icon at the top left.
And away it goes.

P.S Any thing to do with Child Porn is WRONG, I dont care if it is a search or a file, it is still WRONG

This are is normal search traffic, 5Mb are you sure this is only from Xolox? Its a little high but you say you are not sharing... so you are downloading?

I think when the network is under high load, its possible to have 5Mb up- download traffic, especailly if you are downloading...

btw you share nothing? why?

Its also wrong to download illegal files or don´t share your files etc.... but this has nothing to do with Xolox!

Morgwen

I don't believe anyone here was condoning child porn.

As for sending 5mb in 5 minutes...

How long has your client been connected?

Were you searching for files ( any type ) or just letting the program run?

You say you sent/recv'd this from 2 ips is that all you were connected to?

Where did you get the 5mb number from?

P.S. I am not trying to discount your problem just trying to help
answer it. And no I don't condone child porn either.

Yowzer
 

I have the same problem there mr unregistered, 240mb of my monthly upload vanished into ablivion. I have not yet downloaded one item through Xolox, and this is supposed to be normal? Yikes.

I have only installed Xolox today and had not yet put anything in the share folder.
And no I was not downloading anything,I was sitting here watching my Mb usage going out the window.
P.S Xolox was the only internet program I had running.

5Mb in 5minutes in not a little high, Its way to high.

@tshdos

I had ben connected to my ISP for 7minutes.
The Xolox program was started about 2 minutes after I connected to my ISP.
Iwas not doing anything with the program, just letting it run.

"You say you sent/recv'd this from 2 ips is that all you were connected to?"

No I had many connections made by Xolox but only 2 of them were Sending/Recieving like mad, the others wernt doing much.

And as to where I got the 5Mb number from,Connection Status.

Thank you for your response.

A couple more questions.

Do you happen to know the approximate number of connections xolox had?

Approximately what speed connection do you have?

The approximate number of connections was around 10 to 15.

And I am using Cable, up to 1Mb/sec transfer.

I am a little amazed at my results but it appears that 5mb/5min is about normal based on your amount of connections and client software. Here are the results from my testing:

The first test was 2 connections for 5 minutes and I transferred about 500Kb +/- 50Kb.

The second test was with 8 hosts and it consumed 3.5Mb/5min

The third test was with 3 connections to "Super Nodes" with 100Kb +/- 25Kb after 5 minutes.

If you don't have any extra bandwidth to "waste" I would suggest you limit the number of connections you keep to between 2 to 4. If you were to use a program that supports "Super Nodes" and you connected as a child (leaf) node your bandwidth would be reduced quite a bit.

PS - I am not sure if xolox supports supernodes so maybe someone could confirm it.

If 5mb/5min is normal, why does Kazaa does not do this, or previously Napster. I have tested kazaa and I was shocked when I saw that it gave a tiny fraction of results compared to Xolox, with COMMVIEW.

Napster used little bandwidth because you were connected to a central server. You did not need to know directly about other clients, the central server took care of that for you.

Example:

Search For "file"

Napster:
Your client asks the server for any files related to the keyword "file". The server the results it finds.

Gnutella:
Your client asks all connected clients for any files related to the keyword "file" the clients in turn search their local files for anything relevant and return the results. They also send the query to all the clients they are connected to ... and so on until the TTL expires on the query ( usually about 4 to 7 levels deep ).



I am not sure about Kazaa so someone who knows should correct me if I am wrong but I think it works on a central server like basis but with more "central servers".

XoloX has three buttons and hides everything "technical" for those of you just want your files, so you don't know what it's up to, it could be a secret child porn ring distribution network and you would never know it.
Why not run a open source client that lets you know what your computer is doing.

'unregistered' it seems your concern ( complaining) has to do with your lack of knowledge of Gnutellanet and you are blaming it on XoloX because of this ignorance.

Every client on Gnutella acts as a server and vice versa ,so the traffic you see is *normal*. By connecting to Gnutella you take part in queries, replies to those queries, and various other messages all standard in the protocol.
Its pretty simple , the more established connections you have to peers the more traffic you will use, the less connections you establish or if connected to an Ultrapeer , then obviously traffic will be lower because less queries will go through you ( not taking into account uploads and downloads or size of library being shared).

You stated you only have 2 connections established with 5mb of traffic in 5 mins. The chances of using that much traffic from queries alone is pretty far fetched for only having 2 connections, not sharing any files , not downloading or uploading, nor acting as an Ultrapeer ( which is not currently possible with XoloX).

You stated: "The approximate number of connections was around 10 to 15" Sorry , this many node connections is currently NOT possible with XoloX but nice try.

Secondly, the file transfer between others did *not* go through you, gnutellanet is only used to locate clients/servents sharing resources and then a direct connection between the clients initiating the transfer is begun.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure NO one here condones Child Porn so don't be so moronic to make such accusations. How do you even know the file title is even what it claims to be? Many moronic people put out file names for porn with complete bogus names. Remember you choose to use this Tool , next time before going on a witch hunt Mr. Inspector Gadget please try at LEAST doing a simple google.com search to enlighten yourself about how Gnutella ( and in turn XoloX) work rather then wasting everyone's time with some false claims.

I do hope you see XoloX for one does not condone Child Porn, the Gnutella Network surely does not, and lastly to minimize your traffic if its such a huge concern try reading the 'tips of the day' in XoloX and you would find that by lowering your max upload speed it also lowers how many active connections you have.

P.S.
If you have such a great connection to be able to perform 5mb of traffic in 5 mins why aren't you sharing files?

- KayaMan

connections
 

I have had 17 connections sending packets to me via Xolox at one time. So I guess somebody has been telling you porky pies. Or you dont know the software very well yourself. Also mr unregistered's claims are not completely over ruled with what ur saying Mr Pie Man. Who are you after all? Some spotty nosed techno weener sitting behind his 'puter', with nothing to do with his life than insult misinformed people on forums, and try to force his argument with failing wit and obscure humour down the throats of innocent readers trying to find a solution to why an application that had such an excellent review is, to be frank, a complete waste of the users resources to begin with. I have had 240mb go walk about from my monthly bandwidth upload in the last 24 hours of installing Xolox. So this is just down to queries is it? Yeah I reckon not. I hadnt downloaded anything and had nothing in my shared folder, as it was a fresh HDD about 3 days ago. So the app was running whilst I was testing its resource output via an application called Commview. For anyone else out there looking to find some kind of an answer to this, that is extremely puzzling, get the app, and try for yourselves. This was still the case when lowering the connections, so go figure. Anyway, one place for this application, and thats the bin. I could have made better when I was in college. Pffff...

it's just network traffic. get a life. use a program that has central servers if you don't want to query searches and network traffic.

It's possible to see ~10 connections, or at least unskilled users think they do: When you start netstat or a similar tool you see many connections, closed or half closed. Kayaman is right (of course hehe), the problems are users which can install colored network sniffer but don't know how to interpret the results, TCP states, protocols. Unregistered, please install any other Gnutella client to feel similar experience and please stop badmouthing Xolox. Of course it is always okay to ask friendly when you wonder about something...

I do not condom Child Pornography, but what even scares me more is people that are given a small amount of knowledge and tools that they know little about and jump to big unsubstantiated conclusions and then try to tell the world they are correct. I consider you Mr Unregistered more dangerous then Child Pornography and I loathe Child Pornography. In your so-called Moral Crusade you have shown the world your ignorance and idiocy (stupidity in case you have problems with the word). If you want to go after people I suggest you seek legal advice first or you may find yourself on the wrong end of the Judicial System. Do not blame a program that you apparently do not comprehend for something that morally offends you. You Mr Unregistered with your ignorance morally offend me and I do not blame XoloX for your ignorance.

The people on this forum have been kind and patient with you; I on the other hand have learned through experience that they are wasting their time with someone like you. Get a life and go play somewhere else, or if you do not completely understand something, ask first before you jump to unsubstantiated conclusions.

What scares me is my computer is being used to aid the distribution of Chld Pornography with the assistance of Xolox and I dont get a choice if I was to continue to use this rubbish program.

Xolox in not something I want on my computer!!!

Thank You Mr Unregistered for bringing this out in the light of day.

Shocked

re: latest post
That is pretty comical, really it is. You are also 'mr. unregistered' ; and its funny how all the mud slinging usually comes from an 'unregistered' person. The last post of 'unregistered' you should go back and re-read some of the other replies. I think this thread . . .*yawn*, yes gotten boring with the retarded statements by people with no idea what they are claiming.

Let me guess, Next you are going to tell us that because some other user on your ISP shares something as bad as child porn ( or a file with such a title but unless you download you really don't know what it is, do you?) it will make your ISP be part of facilitating in the distribution and YOU in turn for supporting that ISP with a monthly bill.

I respect the opinions being stated and appreciate the concern, but what is being said to me sounds like an attempt to flame XoloX with some non-sense or true ignorance. If the latter then no post would change your mind so this thread is more then exhausted with attempts to explain it to you.

Yes you dou it with every other client too...

but as Kayaman said you and the others have no clue how Gnutella works, so get some infos and complain here about it but don´t tell tales...

Morgwen

some unregistered were a shame for me as 'unregistered'. :)
Xolox is not bad as far as we know yet, get it Mr unregistered.

Some one just sent a http request on port 80 for a file that has 'porn' in the name. I'm calling Microsoft right now. This behavior can not be tolerated. How dare they condone porn by allowing requests like that to be made to my computer. :)

After you finish talking to MS look in the white pages under Mental Hospital and call to see if they have any available space. If you are lucky enough you may find one with standards low enough to accept you. I can see now why you spend your time on the computer annoying people; no one in their right mind would wants to spend any time with you. You really should see a professional and have your head examined, assuming that you have one.

Wow, you're a genious
 

Thats a search. SOMEBODY ELSE SEARCHED FOR THAT. It then queried YOUR computer to see if you have any results for it. Your computer then replies to it.

If you're gonna use a packet sniffer, at least learn about how a protocol works.

File names
 

Just a note on file names. There are apparently thousands, if not millions at this stage, of p2p users who rename their files with paragraph long titles so it gets a hit, and though its mostly movies I've seen it for songs as well. For whatever reason people add everything they can think of so its not unlikely to see a file such as "britney spears topless!!! mp3mpeg aviasfxxx pornpreteenkiddyrapegay.avi.avi.mpeg" etc, and the files are generally much longer than this. What the file is I don't know, maybe its a picture of Britney Spears in the buff, maybe its of Bill Gates, maybe its Barney the Dinosaur, none of these names anything to do with porn, or rape or kiddy porn. If you happen to download an innocent file with such a title rename it, do everyone a favor. If its offensive or illegal, do us all a favor and delete it, don't share it. Thats the best thing we can do as sharers. The authorities are working hard to stop illegal activities, let them do their job, I'm sure they have better things to do then knock on millions of doors because a file was downloaded or seen with a suspicious title, they need to stop those committing the crimes which in turn will stop those supporting them.

The starting person of this post must have stock in the company which runs Kazaa.
I have gotten child porn dumped on me before but it was from ****KAZAA**** not XoloX. I have never had a bogus file that was child porn ever land on my computer from XoloX. However that was why I quit using Kazaa. Innocent sounding titles would contain garbage like that. Things like sesame street or bugs bunny. Plus kazaa just sucked in general anyway.
No I do not condone child porn and I have worked in the past with law enforcement to stop it. I do know that this is not some secret group to pass on this trash. This is just people who want to share files and information. What was done was call an entire group of people child molesters because you got an objectionable title searched through your computer. Hell I get them all the time. What do the find. Nothing because it is not there to be found.
I am tempted to change all of the titles I have to include the words "kiddie porn" to keep morons like you from down loading them. What are you going to do when you get a real child porn file dumped on you from Kazaa? Bitch like hell there too? Maybe you just don't need to use any file sharing system at all. Then you do not have to worry about people searching for things you don't like on your computer. The same thing goes for anyone else who wants to get self rightous about people searching for thing they object to. There are things that I object to such as country music but I am not acting like and *** because someone else searches for it.

mr unregistered
 

the unregistered yet very angry user seems to be very angry with xolox i guess or is being paid by kazaa because he/she wont stop complaining in every stream he/she produces on this board.

i urge admin's to do some board cleaning with his/her useless spam. the new xolox is a beta... need i say more? well i guess i shall because the unregistered user has wasted my time by complaining that he/she cant get the files he/she wants, or xolox crashes, people leech bandwidth, child porn is being avidly shared yadda yadda.... the information shared throughout gnutella cant be condoned by any1 cept the person who shared it on his or her harddisc, if some1 is dumb enough to leech on gnutella intsead of ftp, they are wasting their time.

my own opinion on xolox has been thumbs up since their first installment. i would like to thank all the xolox staff for their effecient file sharing client, and all the patient xolox users who have requested various improvements and/or reported bugs for future versions.

ALSO HAPPY 4TH OF JULY EVERY1 AND GOD BLESS AMERICA

Hi cHEssHire....

Just wanted to say to you and any others that as far as I am personally concerned, this thread would never have survived the first post. But, the editing and deleting of posts here does not operate in such a simple manner and on issues such as this thread there is normally a concensus required before any action is taken.
If enough of the participants feel that this thread should be deleted, and no one is concerned about the effect that may have on their post count, please indicate as such and action will be taken.
If any of you would prefer to deal with KayaMan on this one, I am sure he will be happy to oblige and help to 'clean' the XoloX forum of this nonsense.

Ursula ??

When that post was done, I was not mod'ing this forum. Secondly Morgwen whom is also a Supermod ( and a very good one) responded to the thread too. If he felt it was wrong he could have deleted it. I think it was left because of how UNinformed the user is that posted it and if others think the same, by reading some of the replies would perhaps enlighten them.
This thread was not answered to over what... maybe over a month but someone dug it back up.
If people wanted it deleted , it will be. But again at the time this thread was posted i was not modding it, it was well buried ( and now revived) , and also other supermods already made responses to this over a month ago.
I agree its nonsense, but hey everyone has an opinion.
As far as im concerned, XoloX forum *is* clean. ( and i have been away a day and a half and will be today as well for the most part).... something called holidays here :P
thanks for the help ursula ... ... i think

I didn´t edit it because its allowed to tell TALES here, and such threads can be funny... :D

And I hope we avoided with our patient replies more such "interesting" questions... - never give up the hope... :rolleyes:

Morgwen

There is a difference between nonsense and nonsense... I don´t thinks this user was trolling, he was only "unexperienced"...

his only fault was that he thinks he knows a lot, and starts with accusations instead of asking simple what is goning on... but this is not really BAD just annoying, hey sometimes the pople tell very "nice" stories. :D

Morgwen

I agree,

The posts were obviously out of blind rage, which is understandable, everyone has done it, we fear what we don't understand. I would say also that this thread should stay, but maybe transformed a little, put some of it a part of the faq, with a note on the board that before you post please read the faq ;)

ty
 

i agree, yes the posts are sometimes amusing, and yes it does seem like they are a product of blind rage, and yes he/she tries to act like they know what they are talking about, yet obviously doesnt, and YES THE DISGRUNTLED UNREGISTERED USER'S POSTS SHOULD EITHER COME WITH A WARNING THAT WHAT IS ABOUT TO READ IS NONSENCE AND A WASTE OF TIME OR THEY SHOULD JUST ALL BE MOVED SOMEWHERE.

Sorry to dig this one up again, but I do have to say for as uninformed as that Mr. Unregistered guy was, it was the responses to him that helped ME out!!! I couldn't figure out why the heck I had all these queries going in and out from my firewall thing (I can fix the computer, but still haven't figured out the firewall...) and now I understand it. I was beginning to get a bit worried, but feel a lot better now :)

As far as the porn goes, I haven't ran into any searching for acoustic music... But if I get lucky enough :p I'm kidding!!! Don't throw any rotten bananas at me!!!

KayDee