i see we have a pessimist in the room...

Peerless & CRT

What can I say, other than I felt the same way when starting to build my own PC, I too felt that I knew my own needs and requirements better than anyone else and that no one would give me the facilities and features I wanted.

But guess what, a little thing called life (and family) got in the way and I had to make a choice, spend time putting a new PC together or spend time with the family.

And, when all said and done, my compromise of buying a new PC has not been that bad.

CRT, sorry if I came over as "too pessimistic" but I have seen PCs and servers that have had cascading failures, where they lost their power prematurely and internal items (memory, HD, network cards, etc.) started to fail, one after the other.

Finally, I guess it's just a point of seeing your glass as half empty or half full.




UK Bob

It's very likely that you have a thermal problem. Check the fan and monitor the CPU temperature.

WTF? Hey, there's no Windows here as far as I can see, smell, think or throw a PC. However, even I know that it's completely retarted to use that kind of crap without SP2. No wonder it crashes all the time. Have you checked how much spam per second originates from your machine?

sp2 dosent do anything , as far as i know its an atemt by microf**** to trick you into istalling a bunch of drm and "paledeum" or whatever the **** its called stuff on your pc.
i installd sp2 on my other pc and it killed it so iv avoided sp2 ever since.


dear I HAVE NO ACCONT. YOU ARE A FAT BUTTHOLE . why ? because allmoast everything iv herd from you has been compleatley WRONG! especaley all of you little comments in our disscussion about D-VHS in the other thread(wich i will prove your wrongness in tomorrow) not to menshon many other subjects. so i dont think you have much credibility!


uk and anybody els who cairs: uk im sorry that your homade pc dident go over well . if you do it you need lots of time and patshents wich im asuming is hard to do with kids/famley, nagging wife/girlfrind/mother etc if that is indeed your case. you may have just had bad luck on your first try and may want to try again somtime. BTW i figured out what is wrong with mine...its the modem...the onley thing that i cheeped out on(go to pcvs mac vs linux perfomace issues for more details)

dear moderators, if you feel you must cencor the butthole remark please do ,but please dont remove why im mad at mr no account over there.

First of all, I'm not fat at all nor do I use the FAT filesystem anywhere. If you don't have a hole in your butt, I really pity you because that must be a rather painful experience.

Next, SP2 kills no hardware. If it caused any problems, you have to be a little more precise than "killed" or "****** **" because that's shallow kiddy speak without any useful semantics. I'm not Microsoft, if MS Windows has a bug, report it to them. You paid them for it, not me or anyone else. I've submitted bug reports and bug fixes for free software and most often the support was better than anything a commercial vendor like Microsoft will ever offer.

If Microsoft combines legit bugfixes along with dubious DRM and TCPA updates, that's their right and their business. Nobody forces you to use their products and almost nobody would recommend them anyway. However, it's not acceptable that thousands of misguided, pseudo-paranoid, uneducated, incapable users turn the Internet into a spam and worm arena. It's that simple: Don't use MS Windows or just stay offline otherwise.

Further, I don't have to be 100% correct or correct at all. I know very well that I exaggerate sometimes. I expect intelligent readers to get that. That doesn't mean at all that I spout lies or misleading false information. What I write is based on my opinions and my attitude, that's all. Basically, I don't give a farting crap about my credibility because I know very well what kind of retards many of the so-called "credible" people are which turns "credibility" into a shallow useless attribute.

Last but not least, if you think I made an error or told something wrong in whatever thread and context, just correct it. In the end, everybody has to decide for himself whom he trusts and what he believes. It's not like you cannot find information yourself about almost everything using Google, Wikipedia etc.

that was a reely lame comeback...how much brain capacity if any did you use to think that one up?

the reson iv avoided sp2 is because it messed up my other comp when i attempted to install it, by messed up i meen ,the verry MINUT i installed it it froze the computer, when i restarted it my cd rom drives wouldent work at all , and it was verry slow and it disabled my internet some how so i couldent get online. i couldent fix it so i reformatted and started over agen. and never touched sp2 again.

and i never reely saw any need for it...windows works fine without it, why bother??

tell me what it dose and what is so graet about it? i still have the cd , if i have a good reson il try installing it again.

and no its not microsofts right to lie to ,trick and force people into doing somthing ,installing somthing or agreeing to somthing that is going to make ms richer and screw a lot of people over.

"However, it's not acceptable that thousands of misguided, pseudo-paranoid, uneducated, incapable users turn the Internet into a spam and worm arena. It's that simple: Don't use MS Windows or just stay offline otherwise."<----i have no idia what your talking about there, please explain ?

and im sorry about being rude in the last reply, i was pissed because i tride to reply to the dvhs convorsation twice and my "magical modem" decides to crash the computer right after i get done typing probobley an entire page. TWICE IN A ****** ROW. the sp2 thing was what set me off because i still dont beleve its true . if you can prove to me why sp2 should be installed i will definantley consider it.

and it looks like your right about dvhs onley holding 44gB insted of 400...i think i had my bits and Bytes mixed up....it dose hold 400giga bits, wich is about 44 giga bytes. oops...

thats good to know . but im allmast certen its the modem and or modem drivers. i just looked at my manuel agen and it sez that the bored supports the prescott . i installed the heatsink,fan and thermal puddy that came with the processor so it should be fine temprature-wize. and i dont have it overclocked so it shouldent be makeing any xtra heat. the ram i have installed is made by corsair and corsair is on the QVL thing so it should work. but i dont see the model# of my ram on the QVL...is that bad??
this is the ram i bot for it :http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820145504

im still shur its the modem...if it keeps the crap up after i quit using the modem when i get dsl in a few days, il know its somthing els (if that happens. i predict it will quit the crashing after i stop using the modem)

can i install sp2 without reformatting?? if i cant install it without reformatting it will be a last rezort.


allsow ...if you have this same mobo , do you know if the therd pata connector(the blue one on the lower right of the bored that points in a differant direction than the 2 other ones) can be used for 2 xtra HDDs without it being a RAID??? because i tride plugging in a single hdd to it and it wouldent show up in windows no matter how much i playd with the jumpers etc?

CRT & Peerless

You guys are into some serious stuff, wish I had the time to get into PC building again.

CRT, from my own experience of adding numerous second HD drives to PCs (back when I used to work on Wi*** and NT4.0 PCs), there's a few things you must do before installation (sorry if you have done these already):

1) You have to set the switches or jumpers on the HD from master to slave, I recall that all HD leave their factory's set as "master".

2) You must set the bios to see a second HD disk, I don't think that mobos can automatically see second HDs yet without manual intervention (perhaps Peerless can clarify this point).

3) After installation, you must FDisk the 2nd drive as a slave (or ext partition). Again, maybe Peerless can clarify this point.

Obviously, I know nothing about the mobo you are working on but, if my memory serves, jumpers are best left alone unless there is some aspect of the board's performance you want to change or add to, e.g adding a PCI/SCSI card with an onboard bios.

Hope the above helps but please disregard if it is way out of date.



UK Bob

Your PC sound like it is going to be killer machine when finished.

Dear Mr. Tube,

Please copy ALL of your important personal stuff to a CD...

Then, depending on the manufacturer of your Hard Disk Drive, download/acquire the suitable-to-type 'initial format tool' program such as Disk Wizzard for SEAGATE drives...
All the HDD manufacturers offer these 'tools' for their drives.

When you have whatever program you need (on a bootable CD), run a format from said CD to completely eliminate Window$ XP...

Then....

Smart stuff here...

Install Windows 2000 Professional and, while partitioning the C:\ drive, allow about a 40GB partition for a Linux installation to follow the Win 2k install...

Install Win2k and FORGET YOUR PROBLEMS.

Fools use XP... MEGA-FOOLS use XP Home.

The 'corporate world', including government agencies, DO NOT use Windows anymore.

Think about it, heh ?


If you get any crap such what like as ntldr missing or any problems with your machine reading from CD on boot, ya' all get back to us, hear ?

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guys , this thread is farley old now...iv fixed all of the problems with the pc other than the crashing ,wich i know the cause of (faulty modem) , if it keeps it up after i quit using the modem when i get dsl il start a new thread.

im not going to uninstall xp pro because: i allredy payed for it , it runs fine and smooth other than the soon to be fixed moadem prob, it looks better than 2k linux mac etc, as peerless sed it suports HT and sata150 etc, it runs mor software than anything els and reformatting agen would be an asspain.

windows xp is fine and pefectley safe to use if you know what you are doing, moast of the "holes" in it can be "plugged up" one way or another. MOAST of windows(automatic update is a lame idia) is good and works verry niceley . MICROSOFT on the other hand is full of shi* for many obvious resons.

peerless, how do you get your dolphins in every poast you make ?? i have a pictur of a cheeseburger i want to do the same thing with and i cant get it to show up nomatter what i try. how do i get pictures into every poast i make???