Hi Moak!

Look what I have found...

Erst seine Sachen runterladen (dabei keine Uploads erlauben damit es zunächst schneller geht),

translation:

first get your stuff (do not allow uploads to get them faster)

He? Sorry Moak its the same thing only an other way!

Yes, you have to share your files but for modem users its better to share or to download! If there are clients that support modems in such a way you suggested, we can think about no modem freeloaders...

Morgwen

Grrr... Morgwen ... read the whole sentence, don't take one part out of the documents context!!! The quoted sentence continues, it says": let Bearshare run at least the same time as you suck files". Meanwhile I wouldn't recommend "downloading only for short time" for Bearshare modem users. While people do it actually *sigh*, they abuse it too often. Xolox is better here, it does not allow missuse. *

But please feel free to translate the whole document. Yeah, would be awesome dude! *grin*

Morgwen, you're a fast poster! Cya, Moak

* = Xolox is better in that particular case, BUT it needs many bugfixes in the current version. Hope the programmers find time*******ial support soon.

Hi Moak!

For the last time...

I don´t think that all modem users should only download - but I think the best for a modem is only sharing or downloading, a modem user can also disconnect from gnet when he is sharing (a Mp3 takes between 30 - 90 minutes, without disconnecting), so the upload is also faster... later he can connect to gnet again!

I am lucky with my download/upload ratio 1 to 4! (TDSL)

With a modem my ratio was 30 to 1... I was trying to share...

So I think every user should think abut it...

Freeloading is a crime...

So if you free load, let the others free load, too!
Full bandwidth in both ways...

This is called sharing Moak!

Morgwen

Hi Moak!

Forgot to say you are also a fast poster...

Morgwen

Hi!

I really hope that future gnutella clients do not allow the type of "friendly freeloading" you describe. The problem is that this sounds good, but it is not... because the most freeloaders are not as friendly as you describe. Be honest, modem users act more like this: go online, quick suck your stuff, go offline and forget about anonymous gnutella, time is money.

I try to give you a short overview of my idea for a possible future gnutella client. Before I start let me say, I have NOTHING against free loading, freeloaders are NOT evil, blocking freeloaders is stupid! Sharing means giving, if you can give more than others, just do it, you make some souls happy.

The goals for a future client might be: more available files for modem AND high bandwith users, stop freeloading by making modem users a valuable part of the network. A short overview:
Servants are split up into super peers (hosts with DSL or high speed connection) and normal peers (modem users), AFAIK fasttrack uses this network topology allready. The normal peers do NOT connect to many other peers (to reduce gnutella backbone traffic for them, less or no traffic routing), but the super peers do (they are used as a kind of gnutella reflector, caching search results etc). All servants - even modem users - do spread often requested files all over the gnutella network: swarming of very small parts (e.g. 100 KB).
So when all modem users would share only 5% of their bandwith for uploading swarming parts, there would be a huge amount of extra bandwith = faster download for all, nearly no cost for modem users, necessity for freeloading eliminated. While modem users are idle or wait for downloads, they can automatically share with full bandwith. Okay this is theory and all clients have to provide parallel downloads from multiple hosts (as Xolox does).

I really don't want you to 'force' to think like I do... sorry for defending my point of view so much. I wanna show that I understand freeloading - yes it's human - but it is harming all of us.

Oki, thx for reading this endless discussion, Moaky Moak

Hi Moak!

The Idea is very good... you should post this in our german forum, too!

But actually my way is the better one (i think so)...

All unfriedly freeloaders must know - you are killing the gnet...
so free load "only" friendly (as I suggested), until we have more clients like xolox (hate to write this, I am a bearsharer, but bearshare doesn´t support multiple downloads )

cu,

Morgwen

Hi Morgwen, thx for this discussion!
Yeah we should post a link to this thread.
You're the Bearshare moderator.

/Moak

PS: You like fullquotes, do you?

May be you have an idea for an other discussion...

No, I don´t really like full quotes I am only to lazy...

Morgwen

I wonder that nobody wants to add something....
Meanwhile we can meet on IRCnet #xolox (or #bearshare.de if you prefer that channel, hehe).

So long, Moak